# Help me pick my next foil: Gong vs Axis **URL:** \ **Category:** Foils and Boards - Gear Talk\ **Created:** [May 14, 2024, 3:32pm UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/help-me-pick-my-next-foil-gong-vs-axis/5410 "2024-05-14T15:32:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 3
**Author:** ![silas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/839c29/32.png) [@silas](https://forum.progressionproject.com/u/silas)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2024, 4:32pm UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/help-me-pick-my-next-foil-gong-vs-axis/5410/3 "2024-05-14T16:32:38Z")
The last foil I talk about here is the Sirius 116 > [@Does Dockstarting with big foils help prone with little foils?](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/does-dockstarting-with-big-foils-help-prone-with-little-foils/5360/18): > > As someone who went 200 attempts before finally making it much more than 10m from the dock, I will second the make it easy with a big foil advice. That said, not all big foils are the same. I did 100+ attempts on an old style thick surf foil with a 1m span and 1900cm2 area, AR of 5 or somethint like that. Even with a good long, low dock the foil could stick out under just no luck. Biggest issue was the roll-yaw coupling from the massive anhedral that foil had. Instand speed loss from lack of an… Great pumping and micro bump foil for me, works ok on the 75cm alu mast and great in the hm 85cm. Agree the 136 is a bit too much of a one trick pumping pony to be an allrounder, also at that span it really needs the stiffness of the 72 or 77cm hm mast to shine. Pretty sure the 1300 has better top end and glide than the Sirius 116, low end I am less sure about. The 116 has a very lifty section and low stall speed. How any of these would work for light wind with a 5m depends very much on your board and takeoff skill. --- _[View the full topic](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/help-me-pick-my-next-foil-gong-vs-axis/5410)._