# How much "better" will foils get?

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**Category:** Foils and Boards - Gear Talk\
**Tags:** industry\
**Created:** [September 12, 2024, 8:19pm UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/how-much-better-will-foils-get/6812 "2024-09-12T20:19:41Z")\
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**Author:** ![Matt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@Matt](https://forum.progressionproject.com/u/Matt)\
**Post date:** [September 13, 2024, 11:54am UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/how-much-better-will-foils-get/6812/10 "2024-09-13T11:54:16Z")

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I thought the same thing when the pp140 was launched 😃 You may forget how recent that was, and how far things have come since then

> [@Progression 140 just arrived! First ride](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/progression-140-just-arrived-first-ride/1959):
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> Ready to try the Progression 140 for the first time tomorrow. Currently on the Kujira 980 with kd 13". what would be the best tail configuration for smoothest transition between foils? 145lbs Thanks for any assistance.

I’m pretty sure the advances have a long way to go, based on how divergent the designs are.

The Axis stabs are unbelievably small.

The KT foil has unbelievable aft camber.

> [@Hdip](#):
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> Kane DeWilde was referencing WWII planes when discussing his foil section.

Can you share the link? ww2 planes had very conventional airfoils (think Axis), and so I don’t think that lines up with what he Kane has created.

Kane has mentioned evolutionary algorithm foil design (input= performance characteristics you want, computer figures our the foil section to achieve it), I’d be surprised if that didn’t influence his current foil design. His foil is like nothing else on the market, if you’ve held one in your hands you’d be surprised it even functions. I thought it was pretty insane looking.

> [@MediterraneanFoiler](#):
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> yeah, there was no single big thing in AWSI

KT foil such obvious standout that I don’t think I agree.

> [@Velocicraptor](#):
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> Beginner / Mass Market?

I always look at inflatable SUPs and think how stupidly big that market is, and how when I first saw them I couldn’t think of anything less appealing and who the hell would buy one… I think this is what drives the QR plates, who can crack the kook market 😃

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