# Learning to prone foil without lesson or tow?

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**Category:** Prone Surf Foiling\
**Created:** [December 27, 2023, 7:10pm UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/learning-to-prone-foil-without-lesson-or-tow/4251 "2023-12-27T19:10:26Z")\
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**Author:** ![Matt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@Matt](https://forum.progressionproject.com/u/Matt)\
**Post date:** [January 4, 2024, 12:45pm UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/learning-to-prone-foil-without-lesson-or-tow/4251/44 "2024-01-04T12:45:35Z")

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> [@ctrlb](#):
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> What do you mean by dead?

All the interfaces start to loosen up and Takuma start off at a pretty low point is the gist of. I bought an old Axis fuse/mast setup as my first foil and the amount of slop in the connections was crazy, but I didn’t know any better… (Pedigo discusses the old Takumas with Erik. References [here](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/takuma-front-wing-connection-to-fuselage-slop/3107/20))

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