# P 170 as an intermediate all arounder for winging **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [December 2, 2023, 2:51pm UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/p-170-as-an-intermediate-all-arounder-for-winging/3999 "2023-12-02T14:51:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 5
**Author:** ![SpokeyDoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc29f/32.png) [@SpokeyDoke](https://forum.progressionproject.com/u/SpokeyDoke)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2024, 4:01pm UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/p-170-as-an-intermediate-all-arounder-for-winging/3999/5 "2024-05-17T16:01:08Z")
I’m back…and while I’ve started off this second season with a bunch of progress, I’m basically facing the same question I originally posted…and keep coming back to the p170 as a foil that might be helpful, as a number of folks (like @321-foiler above) talk about the glide, low stall speed and solid turning and pumpability being a great/friendly combo for an intermediate winger. [https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/winging-with-the-progression-170/2081](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/winging-with-the-progression-170/2081) Right now, I keep reaching for my Sab Leviathan 1150, which gets me up very easy, but is pretty boosty and not so friendly turning. Can’t imagine a Progression being slower than that one either, it seems even going to to p200 would be an improvement. In any case, psyched to be back on the water after a long cold winter…putting in my time bolstering my humility… but… **Any further rec’s for the ultimate intermediate foil for learning to jibe in crappy/gusty wind on inland lakes/reservoirs, with that glide/low stall/reasonably turn friendly (not doing surf cutbacks/slashes by any stretch) and that will help in learning to pump?** --- _[View the full topic](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/p-170-as-an-intermediate-all-arounder-for-winging/3999)._