# Progression 170 vs Lift 170

**URL:** <https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/progression-170-vs-lift-170/2648>\
**Category:** Prone Surf Foiling\
**Created:** [July 16, 2023, 9:17am UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/progression-170-vs-lift-170/2648 "2023-07-16T09:17:23Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 5\
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**Author:** ![notefgel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ea666f/32.png) [@notefgel](https://forum.progressionproject.com/u/notefgel)\
**Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 9:17am UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/progression-170-vs-lift-170/2648/1 "2023-07-16T09:17:23Z")

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These foil specs are basically the same, but…do they behave the same in powerful surf (up to chest high) and do they have the same speed range, pump and carve/turning ability?

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**Author:** ![flowstatefoster](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.progressionproject.com/flowstatefoster/32/891_2.png) [@flowstatefoster](https://forum.progressionproject.com/u/flowstatefoster)\
**Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 10:24am UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/progression-170-vs-lift-170/2648/2 "2023-07-16T10:24:37Z")

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I’m still pretty new (~ 1 year) and don’t have that sensitivity to feel that others have, but I recently switched from the Lift 170 HA to the Progression 170. The main thing I noticed was a whopping 15-20% boost in my pumping.

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**Author:** ![Mattchu\_Pchu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/74df32/32.png) [@Mattchu\_Pchu](https://forum.progressionproject.com/u/Mattchu_Pchu)\
**Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 11:46pm UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/progression-170-vs-lift-170/2648/3 "2023-07-16T23:46:06Z")

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I had a lift 170 w/ stock 25 tail for about a year. Imo, it always turned like a dog, but pump/glide was good and had no issue linking waves with it.  
I had a session with a friend riding the 170 prog, about 10-15 on shore so not best for pumping out. I doubled my farthest ride distance of the day on the first wave with the prog 170. Turning is night and day better.

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**Author:** ![seangalla](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.progressionproject.com/seangalla/32/2526_2.png) [@seangalla](https://forum.progressionproject.com/u/seangalla)\
**Post date:** [September 7, 2023, 9:25am UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/progression-170-vs-lift-170/2648/4 "2023-09-07T09:25:22Z")

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I too am considering switching from Lift to Uni. Currently have the 200ha, 170ha and 150haX. Keen to hear more about the comparisons to the Unifoil Progression series.

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**Author:** ![Rad\_Duke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Rad\_Duke](https://forum.progressionproject.com/u/Rad_Duke)\
**Post date:** [September 7, 2023, 12:26pm UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/progression-170-vs-lift-170/2648/5 "2023-09-07T12:26:00Z")

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The Lift 170 is an old foil and the Progression 170 is the newest foil. It’s an order of magnitude better in every way. No comparison.