# Trash-Bags (Parawing Lounge) **URL:** \ **Category:** Winging\ **Tags:** string-wing\ **Created:** [October 19, 2024, 9:13pm UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/trash-bags-parawing-lounge/7352 "2024-10-19T21:13:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Zarb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47774/32.png) [@Zarb](https://forum.progressionproject.com/u/Zarb)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2024, 9:13pm UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/trash-bags-parawing-lounge/7352/1 "2024-10-19T21:13:16Z")
Seems like a bunch of new competitors throwing their hats into the Trash-Bag arena. I was hoping to keep a confirmed/rumor/sightings list going! So far we have: **Five-O:** V1 available, V2 apparently coming out soon. [Pocket Wing V1 — Store — FIVE-O WindSports](https://www.fiveowindsports.com/store/pocket-wing) **BRM:** Available - [BRM PARAWINGS | THREE MODELS – Boardriding Maui](https://boardridingmaui.com/pages/parawing) **North:** Seen in person, mentioned on podcasts, nothing available yet. V1 released soon (?), V2 version next year (?) **Born-Kite:** Available? Doesn’t seem very competitive. **Gong:** [Instagram sighting](https://www.instagram.com/patrice_guenole/reel/DAEev-AIePw/) [Gong Blog](https://www.gong-galaxy.com/en/blogs/magazine/gear-lowkites-innovation-and-evolution-of-wings-for-much-more-than-just-downwind) **Ensis:** “Initial size only 3m, mid Dec release. ~$700USD” [Instagram sighting](https://www.instagram.com/rawham.mcl/reel/DBO005YIx65/) [Ensis Release Vid](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj26BRZ6A4I) **Ozone:** Only rumors and cheeky answers from Ozone reps so far… no sightings. **Gin Kites:** Nothing official yet? Only DIY conversions so far. **Flow Paragliders:** Prototype stage, Australian paragliding company. [https://www.facebook.com/share/p/aZW1ZmeX7FwFWh64/](https://www.facebook.com/share/p/aZW1ZmeX7FwFWh64/) **Element Kiteboarding:** [Trash-Bags (Parawing Lounge) - #40 by OmarFoilCol](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/trash-bag-brands/7352/40) **Aeryn:** [Aeryn P1 Parawing - Wake-style.com - Wake Style](https://www.wake-style.com/collections/parawing/products/aeryn-p1-parawing?srsltid=AfmBOopiSvcFyD8mQVuywf-rslalbCGLthCW5n7v9L1bWd3T5RyLWYCz) ---
**Author:** ![Gonefoiling](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.progressionproject.com/gonefoiling/32/14360_2.png) [@Gonefoiling](https://forum.progressionproject.com/u/Gonefoiling)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2024, 9:46pm UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/trash-bags-parawing-lounge/7352/2 "2024-10-19T21:46:15Z")
u forgot og pocketwing > **[Pocket Wing V1 L-4.2m — FIVE-O WindSports](https://www.fiveowindsports.com/store/p/pocket-wing-mf5n5)** > > Patent Pending PPA #63/581,061 Change up your Downwind game. Grab a Pocket Wing to Catch a Gust, get on foil and enjoy the ride!! ---
**Author:** ![Matt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a6a055/32.png) [@Matt](https://forum.progressionproject.com/u/Matt)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2024, 7:58am UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/trash-bags-parawing-lounge/7352/3 "2024-10-20T07:58:24Z")
**Ensis** > **[Michael Näf on Instagram: "When parawinging🪂 magically puts a smile on your...](https://www.instagram.com/rawham.mcl/reel/DBO005YIx65/)** > > 693 likes, 32 comments - rawham.mcl on October 17, 2024: "When parawinging🪂 magically puts a smile on your face, you know you are officially hooked🤩. > > Super proud of @\_lau\_ritaa\_ and @flora\_artzner who managed parawinging on the first day🥳. > > Gear... **North** sounds like they have the v1 to be released soon (more a Five-O style) and a v2 upwind version next year. **Ozone** heard rumours too ---
**Author:** ![Gonefoiling](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.progressionproject.com/gonefoiling/32/14360_2.png) [@Gonefoiling](https://forum.progressionproject.com/u/Gonefoiling)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2024, 3:56pm UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/trash-bags-parawing-lounge/7352/4 "2024-10-20T15:56:04Z")
Also [https://ginkites.com/en/categorie-produit/kite/](https://ginkites.com/en/categorie-produit/kite/) The person flying this one at a beach said they have one as well that can be stowed away but …nothing on their website ![IMG_1894](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/progressionproject/original/2X/7/7d5507f69f5a65a4ee3c91b6fcc4eb1a18d6b006.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![FrequentFaller](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a698b9/32.png) [@FrequentFaller](https://forum.progressionproject.com/u/FrequentFaller)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2024, 2:48pm UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/trash-bags-parawing-lounge/7352/5 "2024-10-24T14:48:56Z")
Have seen the ENSIS one online and in person. Also know that they have a paraglider designer involved… So for everyone that was awaiting Ozone’s offering on the basis of that experience … ---
**Author:** ![Zarb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47774/32.png) [@Zarb](https://forum.progressionproject.com/u/Zarb)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 1:52am UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/trash-bags-parawing-lounge/7352/6 "2024-11-01T01:52:01Z")
Confirmed that Flow Paragliders (Aussie) are prototyping a parawing. Cool stuff. Link in OP ---
**Author:** ![Gonefoiling](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.progressionproject.com/gonefoiling/32/14360_2.png) [@Gonefoiling](https://forum.progressionproject.com/u/Gonefoiling)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 1:55am UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/trash-bags-parawing-lounge/7352/7 "2024-11-01T01:55:53Z")
This is affordable > **[WaveStar](http://www.born-kite.de/?cat=c22_WaveStar-WaveStar.html)** ---
**Author:** ![321-foiler](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.progressionproject.com/321-foiler/32/5370_2.png) [@321-foiler](https://forum.progressionproject.com/u/321-foiler)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 7:51am UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/trash-bags-parawing-lounge/7352/8 "2024-11-01T07:51:16Z")
Balz is out testing the Ensis parawing / pocket wing in Brazil. Looks really fun for dw assist. [![](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/progressionproject/original/2X/6/691741d50c185015d760754cebc5838a1a342ee5.jpeg "DOWNWIND SUP FOIL in BRAZIL: Balz Muller @radiculo and Oda Johanne - Parawing vs. paddle") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY23jLwWP8s) ---
**Author:** ![Ajam](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.progressionproject.com/ajam/32/2078_2.png) [@Ajam](https://forum.progressionproject.com/u/Ajam)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 1:16pm UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/trash-bags-parawing-lounge/7352/9 "2024-11-01T13:16:36Z")
Received some detail on the Ensis wing from local distributor. Initial size only 3m, range “10kt - 20kt for lighter riders and up to around 27kt for heavier riders” Mid December availability. It’s not cheap. Equivalent of 850 USD. ![1000012130](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/progressionproject/original/2X/a/a54a56f41979b89b14bac6a28ff703bc46636b6a.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Velocicraptor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Velocicraptor](https://forum.progressionproject.com/u/Velocicraptor)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 1:21pm UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/trash-bags-parawing-lounge/7352/10 "2024-11-01T13:21:25Z")
I’m on the edge of my seat for the Ensis parawing, but only to know whether the product is actually named **“Roger”**. ---
**Author:** ![Dontsink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@Dontsink](https://forum.progressionproject.com/u/Dontsink)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 2:38pm UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/trash-bags-parawing-lounge/7352/11 "2024-11-01T14:38:01Z")
For 850€ i will pass, Balz is nice but c’mon… let’s see what Monsieur Gong wants for his version. ---
**Author:** ![seawing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/48db29/32.png) [@seawing](https://forum.progressionproject.com/u/seawing)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 3:03pm UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/trash-bags-parawing-lounge/7352/12 "2024-11-01T15:03:02Z")
Have any foilers reviewed these yet? ---
**Author:** ![Hdip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a4c791/32.png) [@Hdip](https://forum.progressionproject.com/u/Hdip)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 3:12pm UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/trash-bags-parawing-lounge/7352/13 "2024-11-01T15:12:55Z")
Guys I know who exclusively used them in the Gorge. They do what they claim to do and people who stick with it beyond the initial learning curve seem to really like them. ---
**Author:** ![seawing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/48db29/32.png) [@seawing](https://forum.progressionproject.com/u/seawing)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 6:42pm UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/trash-bags-parawing-lounge/7352/14 "2024-11-01T18:42:39Z")
You are talking specifically about the borne kites? Are people just using the wavestar, or the foilstar as well? ---
**Author:** ![Zarb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e47774/32.png) [@Zarb](https://forum.progressionproject.com/u/Zarb)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2024, 6:57pm UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/trash-bags-parawing-lounge/7352/15 "2024-11-01T18:57:34Z")
I think he’s just talking about trash-bags generally - not BornKite. Only ones I’ve seen in the Gorge are the BRMs, and the Five-O (with a brief North appearance during AWSI). I’ve used the BRMs as a downwind assist - was riding my 65L. I don’t think they’re a “cheat-code” to downwinding, you have to be good in the bumps to pack it away properly and stay on foil. They’ve very uncomfortable to use in gusts and feels like your arms’ getting pulled out of the socket. Best to get up and riding asap then pack away. I’ll be getting some for next season - but certainly won’t fully replace a paddle for me. ---
**Author:** ![Bonifacio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c67d28/32.png) [@Bonifacio](https://forum.progressionproject.com/u/Bonifacio)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2024, 7:10am UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/trash-bags-parawing-lounge/7352/16 "2024-11-02T07:10:26Z")
As a recent convert to SUP foil downwind, it was great fun to watch the progression this past summer of about 15% of the “tribe” on the BRM. Interestingly none of them seem interested in going upwind whatsoever and that’s the only part that is actually of interest to me (then downwind of course) because my winter location makes car shuttling an epic. While I’ve seen some very talented foilers make the BRM go upwind it appears that it will take about twice as long+ as even a V1 Strike or equivalent (a v1 Strike 3.5 is 1.4Kg and packs up really small). Obviously there are advantages and disadvantages to both methods so until better upwind performance is proven in a parawing I’ll keep watching. Saw an interesting higher AR prototype the other day at Rufus so the future looks very interesting 😀 ---
**Author:** ![J\_L](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.progressionproject.com/j_l/32/770_2.png) [@J\_L](https://forum.progressionproject.com/u/J_L)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2024, 3:20pm UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/trash-bags-parawing-lounge/7352/17 "2024-11-03T15:20:01Z")
ParanormalWing [Paul van Bellen on Instagram: "Paranormal Foil"](https://www.instagram.com/reel/DB4s3BvSKQ9/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==) ---
**Author:** ![J\_L](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.progressionproject.com/j_l/32/770_2.png) [@J\_L](https://forum.progressionproject.com/u/J_L)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2024, 8:35pm UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/trash-bags-parawing-lounge/7352/18 "2024-11-04T20:35:05Z")
That’s an interesting observation, @FoilGraham posted some GPS tracks on Parawing that show pretty poor angles, like 140 degree tacks vs my tracks at around 95 degree tacks on a wing. Different riders/spots/gear but still a big difference - run through a VMG calculation it agrees with your observation of 1/2 upwind VMG. assuming 12 knots board speed the Parawing gets about 4 knots vs 8 knots VMG on the wing at those angles Will be interesting to see where it goes - Looks like Gong is coming out with a freeride version that probably goes upwind well, but will it pack?? [https://www.instagram.com/gong.lowkite?utm\_source=ig\_web\_button\_share\_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw==](https://www.instagram.com/gong.lowkite?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw==) ---
**Author:** ![FoilGraham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a9adbd/32.png) [@FoilGraham](https://forum.progressionproject.com/u/FoilGraham)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2024, 9:24pm UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/trash-bags-parawing-lounge/7352/19 "2024-11-04T21:24:32Z")
I’ve made a bunch of progress since my first post about upwind angles with BRM, mostly thanks to the upgraded bridal configuration. My last session yesterday I was getting pretty much the same angles as the wingers, maybe better? The current was running with the wind, so not ideal for measuring angles from GPS. I was also getting much longer DW runs than the wingers given the advantage of not dealing with the wing! Here’s a cropped view of two runs yesterday. Starting at the top left, I gybe then depower on a second gybe and almost come off foil during pack away, then cruise for a few hundred yards, then pull out the bar and wing and redeploy and head upwind before repeating. Keep in mind that I’m not switching stance either, so toeside all the way headed away from the shore. ![IMG_4116](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/progressionproject/original/2X/c/cec31ccd17485c1d6d0b0a1cce65b4b90dfd347f.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![321-foiler](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/forum.progressionproject.com/321-foiler/32/5370_2.png) [@321-foiler](https://forum.progressionproject.com/u/321-foiler)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 2:25am UTC](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/trash-bags-parawing-lounge/7352/20 "2024-11-05T02:25:44Z")
Gong sure looks like they are getting ready for product launch. Interestingly it looks like their “low kite” will have several models with different ARs and some that are double skin. Personally want a compact powerful pocket wing that will get me on foil and pack alway easily for dw. But clearly it looks like the market for these new kites is going to be bigger than just dw. Could see these competing directly with wings. Just like LEI vs foil kites, both have advantages. As a former FS peak rider I can say you learn to get used to the bridles pretty quickly once you see the benefits. I don’t think these will replace wings but I can see a lot people switching especially if Gong helps bring the cost down. [Next page](https://forum.progressionproject.com/t/trash-bags-parawing-lounge/7352.md?page=2)