I bought a 5.7m PRv2 a while back as I was looking to get more time on the water. Hands down my best purchase in a long time. Granted it’s bigger but it doesn’t lose all power when you pump it. I’ve come to realize that unless it’s full on, parawing starts are mostly pumping the board while trying to generate some pull from the parawing.
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I don’t know the guy but to pull 8.6 knts of VMG on any single skin let alone a V1 D wing is quite an achievement. Not possible without immense talent and having the Dwing ultra crazy powered up.
10.2 VMG on the Orbit is a very significant milestone because it means if your surfing downwind at a very typical 3 minutes per kilometer, for surfy bumps, then you are getting 1 for 1 ratio of upwind time to downwind time.
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Yup. 30 seemed to be the magic # to make it start working. Mine was borrowed though. Buddy down in LA was nice enough to let me take it on my trip before he’d even used it once.
Lachie White is pushing the performance limits for sure, but there might also be something else going on there. I used a 4.2m D-Wing as my main parawing for many months and the best I could achieve with it was a 33° upwind angle (66° off wind angle). Once the wind picked up too much you’d start getting blown downwind instead of able to just go upwind faster/steeper. Maybe Lachie has trimmed his D-Wing differently, maybe the one he got had slightly different bridal lengths (I’ve flow lots of v1 D-Wings and the consistency of bridal lengths was not very consistent).
Swapping to a 4.7m Frigate v1 I was able to point higher (42° upwind / 48° off wind) and handle higher winds (even though it’s a bigger PW). The Frigate v1 just keeps pointing higher the more wind you throw at it.
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Yeah. He hits speeds on the wing that are beyond my risk level.
I had/have one of the bad batch DWINGs and I wonder how many people know they might be flying a dud. My first one was impossible to keep flying just on the beach let alone in the water.
And how do they compare to a Ozone 6.5 PR v2 ultra-x?
In general, this shows that skill has a lot to do with upwind performance. but it also might be that the number is fattened by current
Is there any considerable current in the bay
Curious how most are snatching for short runs these days. The ozone waxing line thread got me thinking. I switched to a full quiver of S3s this year and I feel like I get away with a very simple snatch/packdown routine. It feels like there are a lot of packdown techniques that are more complex to address pw designs with longer lines and more structured leading edges that I don’t need to follow for the S3. Perhaps there are other PWs like 777 that are simple as well with reliable redeploy.
Complex 5 step stow process for reference
Simple process for comparison:
As pw designs have evolved I am actually riding more often in place doing shorter wave runs, similar to a wing session like in the second clip from Harvey. So frequently snatching and redeploying.
Curious if others on the latest gen pws are riding in place more often as well. I really like the simplicity of the BRM pws for snatch and redeploy. Are there other PWs that get by with a simplified snatch/packdown?
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Complex method maybe but its literally what everyone does, i just come back again to grab all the B and C lines. We get long ass waves on the outer reefs, so taking 10-15 seconds to pack down my Parawing properly and riding for a couple minutes. But im glad you have a method that works for you. Like they say “different stroke for different folks”. No wrong way if it works.
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Less complex method but i still grab those B and C lines. Lets see your method, im always game for a better way of doing things or if you got ways of helping others improve their stash and stow
It’s not a dramatic difference but there are less steps. My method matches what Harvey is doing in the second clip. If I am doing a downwinder I do the same process but stuff it in the bag. The key is to get the lines stuffed in a way that avoids wrapping a wing tip.
And thanks for posting the clip, love your videos. Can’t wait to get back to Oahu and maybe get a session with you. Just trading technique ideas here so we can all learn what’s working
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I mostly do short upwind/downwind run of about 1 km. For me the key is to have my method dialled so I dont have to think about it so I can stow it in the poutch as quick as possible and have good redeploy. I have two method that I use based on my parawing setup.
Method 1 (same as Hmanfoil) :
- Collapsing using all frontline/A-line
- Bar on the leading edge + organising the batten in one motion
- Folding and gathering the line at the same time
- …in the poutch !
Method 2 (an hybrid between the FoilRat method and the Dmitry Evseev method)
- Collapsing on center A-line
- Collecting one ear and putting bar on the leading edge in one motion
- Collecting the other ear
- Twist the parawing toward me
- Reach on the otherside to get the canopy and covering all the line
- Folding
- …in the poutch !
Method 1 was the fastest and funniest. It must have average 6 seconds. I use to do it on my BRM (Maliko and S3). But, if the wind was too strong, I needed to use method 2. I suspect that you could use that method with the new parawing with nitrinol battens. The Hatch v2 look great at this. I’ve never rode it but it look like minimal ear gathering with the center A-line collapsing and worry free nitrinol battens.
Now that I have a 3m Quest and a 4,3m PRv2, I use method 2 because the leading edge have too much structure and I’m afraid of bending the battens. My stowing must average 12 seconds.
Gathering ears sucks but its not a deal breaker when you develop your speed with it. But I would choose not to do it if I could.
I’ve never been a fan of “tucking the bar under the arm” method. It let the line dangling all over to catch on something and you have to be carefull not to drop the bar either…
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Makes sense on the batten management needs tied to more steps. Agree the Hatch v2 seemed like a good compromise as those battens won’t warp and they snatch really nicely off the a lines. Demoed one briefly.
Method 1 works very well with 3.1 and 4.3 777 Hybrids. All A-lines, and you have a perfect concertina. Started with the FoilRat method, but realised it was not needed on the 777s I have.
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My quiver is:
2.5m 777 Hybrid
3.1m 777 LTX
4.2m BRM s3
I would agree with you that they have a very fast and super simplified packdown and redeploy. I swore by the bar under the arm method with v1 pocket rockets and still see that as the best for that parawing but these new ones are amazing for speedy packdowns.
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fondled the 5.9 and 4.5 orbits. These look amazing in person. everything looks very high quality, perhaps the best out of all PWs. the bar could be made a bit more fancy but canopy and stitching looks amazing. they both fly beautifully though 4.5 felt more perfect in hand
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I’m still using the original method Gwen Le Tutor introduced with the V1 BRMs way back when they were first released and it’s super fast and the redeploy is almost 100%. Grab all the lines at once right after turning downwind, grab with the bar and wrap the lines with the canopy. Takes about 4-5 seconds and it’s ready to either stash or keep in my hand. I’m on all BRMs. Is that method not viable for non-BRM PWs?
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Gwen always swore by that technique but I never was able to have a ton of success with it. I never liked how the canopy behaved doing the all line stash but if it works for you keep doing it!
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I appreciate your video but am struggling to see what you do once you grab the B and C lines.
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