Learning to DW pump with foil assist

Focus on moving your feet back when you come off power. Efoil position vs free foil position.

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Wing foiling with anchorman is the easiest way to learn

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Thanks for the input. I think I got it dialled in finally. Moving feet around and adjusting all the time was the key.

Yesterday I went out on wingfoil, first time in half a year I think… My technique improved incredibly since started to learn to DW. It was amazing feeling how easy I could pump up with minimal wind. But after a jibe, I realised my right foot forward is shit :sweat_smile: I normally DW on left foot forward.

Anybody else has this issue, so you train both stances for DW to be equally good on either leg forward? I am now considering going back to foil assist and train my left foot forward. So basically starting from the beginning…

Very very few people DW in both stances. Work on your strong wide for DW. Save the switch for wind sports.

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ya i think there are maybe like 3 people who could do it reliably and they are all ex pro kite foilers

it will be very good for your brain to do this, and your general skill set

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wow, this is amazing. I have been kitefoiling for quite some time but see very little overlap with DW. It could be down to the local conditions though. The more I am into the sport the more I see how much local conditions matter. You can’t polish a turd!

I predicted a few years ago that the top of the top downwind racers would all be switching stance during the race to even out muscle fatigue on both sides of the body. It appears I was wrong, but I still think someday someone will have success with this. I can ride half decent either foot forward with the wing, but when I tried to ride downwind wrong foot forward it was a disaster. I wasn’t willing to ruin several downwind sessions working it out. I still think it would be worth it, but nobody has shown that to be true so far.

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Yes I am surprised we don’t see it, looking at how aggressively Edo pumps, I would imagine we are still at the point where there is too much going on with gear and conditions for that to come into play, but I suspect we will see it eventually.

it’s also incredibly hard to ride switch without the wing, I can’t do it at all!

Another question in here please, about foil selection for faster moving swell.

I use png1300v2, and I am dialled into it quite well I think. It seems to have a sweet spot of around 11-12mph, at least this is how I feel it. What I am trying to understand is if I need a faster foil.

I love the png1300v2, but sometimes the swell is faster and it is pretty impossible to keep up with. Quite often I end up exhausted from pumping to keep up. The faster swells seem to travel with speed of around 15mph. There is hardly any wind in here so it is purely swell and wave energy to use.

If reasonable, I’d like to keep practicing on this foil. But does it make sense to keep pushing in unfavourable conditions? Is there any special technique to foil in faster moving swell? I do stay high on the mast, this helps a bit but not enough to keep with the fast swell. The swell merges with the bay chop and takes me over and I end up on the back of the wave and loose speed a lot, which is difficult to recover from.

what about going down in tail size? each size down releases some speed.

If you can’t recover from this then the smaller foil probably isn’t going to help much. With that foil you should try aim to never drop off foil. Initially it will feel really difficult, and you’ll always feel like you need to pump, but it’s a good exercise, as that foil can probably go down close to 7mph. Work on your foot position so that you can go extremely slow (front foot back)

You will “always” feel like some swells are too fast for you, so dealing with that is the same, regardless of the relative foil speed. If you get a faster foil, you go faster, you ignore the small chop as they don’t help, so your margin for error is smaller. If you parawing this is maybe fine as you have more reps.

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I actually have a smaller one 358/35 in my bag but was not brave to try it yet. This is not to break what currently works. Currently on 362/50.

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Thanks. Sounds like I should just carry on practicing and not look for excuse to get new gear :slight_smile:

Thinking about it, perhaps I just need to take on more active style. To do cutbacks more often and try to maintain the speed.

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Yeah I mean indulge yourself, you only live once, but yes you’ll struggle more with faster foil, as you’ll need to be more active, read the bumps better etc.

Yes, this is what I meant, excellent point. You need to find and stay in the energy, pump only when you know there is no energy, but there usually is, and cutting back helps you find it. A smaller foil just means you need to be more aggressive and decisive about when and where you cutback to

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The 1300v2 is really stable. I wing or dock start it with the same tails you have. The 35 is not crazy hard compared with the 50. Try it! Of course if you’re on one of the shortest fuses, it does make a bigger difference.

The 1300v2 is pretty slow, and you might really enjoy one of the bigger surge foils that’s not out yet, or a fireball 1350. They’re more lifty but lower volume, so they’re faster. I’d try one out if you can - but they probably won’t be a huge upgrade. The tail change could be though!

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