Learning to DW pump with foil assist

Hello,

I am on a mission to learn to pump in the sea on my DW board. The local conditions are suboptimal. The wind is very weak in here and the sea has small random chop. There is also strong undercurrent that slows you down if you low on the foil.

I can cruise around on my foil assist perfectly fine. But the moment I ollie up and try to pump my way down, I get very short run. I think my pumping technique is the issue.

Once in a while we do get some wind and small waves, and I can pump for a little bit longer. But this happens not often enough to progress really.

My question is, how can I improve my pumping considering the circumstances. Is there any point of having the foil assist constantly on? This is to have the assist on a very low throttle and try to pump with the assist on. I would hope that this gives me enough assistance to make my pumping runs longer so I can focus on pumping technique for longer. But at the same time I am concerned that this will not improve my pumping technique the right way. Any thoughts on that?

Or do I push through - use assist to get me up, switch off, pump, fall and repeat. This is very exhausting.

Thanks!

The DW board being so huge will affect your ability to pump, ideally a 40 liter board is what you want. Once you are very good at pumping you can use a much larger board like the dw board. Also your foil choice will make a huge difference what foil are you riding?

It is axis png 1300v2

thats a good foil to learn pumping on. i mainly used that with my FD. I would say the problem is your board is too big, you will lose half of your pumping ability if you go from a 40L board to a 100L DW board

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hi!

Maybe you can go more into detail, why you cannot pump longer? Is the nose of the board going in? Loosing speed?

I have to position my front foot quite far forward on the board when I motor up. Once I’m up I have to move my front foot back, otherwise I’m applying too much pressure on my front foot and the nose goes down easily.

Since the 1300 is quite a big wing, the nose down momentum might be getting quite high on higher speeds. You could try to shim your backwing to more. You will get more front food pressure but also more stability on higher speeds

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FD is the best and fastest way to get time on foil to practice pumping unless you have a boat. The hardest part of using FD is remembering to shift your weight and stance back after you are not using motor power its a significant difference in balance point when you let off the power and start to pump. You will need to move back about 3 inches. Rear foot should be just above the foil mast or even slightly forward and your front foot should be very close to your rear: https://youtu.be/JABmo2aEIgI?si=l2G6nDYKFwV3QTzh look at how Kaine pumps his feet are super close together and he is a very efficient pumper. https://youtu.be/xYv-Uy54GhQ?si=ew972Wa0Ov7H8nPl Shift weight back, move feet together, and hop up don’t push down https://youtu.be/y-qUfHFhZCY?si=uSIAlc4o7cASCFCl

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Not to hijack, but am I the only one that thinks my SUP board is easier to pump than my prone board? It’s definitely more tiring, but I’m very confident with technique and speed production on my DW board, and struggle with technique consistency on my prone boards.

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Thank you. I have no idea why I cannot pump longer. It is not like I am exhausted, I could pump for longer but I am loosing the height after every pump. If I put more pressure on the back, the foil stalls after a few pumps. It could well be that I need more practice but then what is the best way to practice pumping with FD…

What foil tail is best for learning to pump in choppy water (no bumps in here really, just random chop)?

I am currently on the png1300v2 with skinny 365/55 but could change to 460/60. This is with advance crazyshort fuselage (600mm)

I wouldn’t change the tail, especially not going bigger. Everyone can explain your problem better if you had a video. But just from pure guessing, you are pumping too slow and going more up and down versus forward. A good pumper is going to have really smooth sine wave pump. A bad pumper will be just going up and down and never generate the speed to be efficient

This is the only thing to worry about, everything else comes after this.

see more here:
https://www.instagram.com/p/DGxfpOKoaeL/

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A question here - after getting up on the mast and switching off the FD, do I adjust only the front leg and the back leg should rather stay where it was while cruising on FD?

I would recommend aiming to get your back foot directly over the mast to start pumping. When learning you can put some tape, marks or extra traction pad on your board to make sure your back foot is in the right spot. You can start with your feet shoulder width apart once your back foot is in the right spot.

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Just curious as to what your cable length is? (where pod is on the mast). For me, using FD to learn how to pump was essential in improving my pump abilities. I do not see any point in leaving the assist on at all when trying to pump.

I can give you my experience and what I found useful for me, you can pull out of that what may be helpful for you. Keep in mind, learning to pump is a slow process, embrace the small gains you make along the way and build on that. Stay positive.

In general I find a smaller board is easier to pump than a larger one. Use the gear you have, if you have multiple boards, change them out from time to time to see how they feel.

When using FD to pump, regardless if flat or small bumps, put the wind at your back, and get going as fast as you can. I find that starting out with a bunch of speed is super helpful. If I am doing a workout in flat water, I crouch down get going at the maximum speed, then pop up and release the throttle the same time.

Along with speed, getting high and staying high on the mast is crucial. You want that initial pop up to get you as high as possible. You want the foil to be as close to surface as possible. You may breach a bit to figure out where that is, but super important.

Next pay attention to foot position. You want your front foot further back than you think. It has to be as close as you can get it to being over the front wing. When you get the feeling of “pushing” on something very solid, you are were you want it to be. In general, for me, When I am taking off on FD, my front foot is further forward to counter the lift of the motor, once on my feet, I keep sliding my front foot back, always further than I think. I will have my back foot more forward to help keep the nose down. I like to get my front foot positioned to where I like when not on the motor, before I come off the motor. Then I just move my back foot back for wave riding, a bit more forward for pumping.

When pumping, don’t think of pushing down. It is a feeling of hopping up and unweighting. You have hop up very close to even weight distribution between your feet. If you find yourself slowing down, with the nose up a bit, you have too much pressure on your back foot. This is still an issue for me at times, I have to consciously feel lighter on my back foot.

Try to look up and forward to where you want to go. It really helps.

Also don’t be afraid to make small changes in your setup along the way. Stay with the same setup for a full session or 2, then change only one thing. Mast position, tail shim, tail, fuse length, etc. but only change one thing and try for a bit. I found some small changes really helped. These will be different for everyone. You have to find what works best for you. A setup that works great for one person, may feel horrible to someone else. I found some counterintuitive changes that really helped my pump.

For me, learning to pump was a slow process, building on what felt and worked properly. You really just have to get out there and practice. There were a couple of videos that really resonated with me and were very helpful. In general they were pump foil videos.

When i first started my Prone journey, I could not pump 10 ft. I now can get 4 for 1’s with max battery on the board, a bit more with sport battery (I really find the sport battery much easier to pump). And on the rare occasion I have paddle in conditions without FD, can pump around for a bit.

Keep at it and have fun.

Pura Vida!

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Sorry, going to disagree with most folks - FD is the WORST to learn to pump, riding up on the foil is yes but pump - hell no. Wannna learn to pump - grab a paddle. I pump my dw boards no problem - not the board at fault.

Yeah, paddle is a no go for me. Had rotator cuff injury from too much paddling… or I might be too old for that.

Thanks a lot for the taking the time to explain this. I have the motor rather high on the mast, as per the photo:

Entirely disagree. To qualify my easiest to hardest ways to learn to pump:

  1. Tow behind boat / wake park / big tow boogie = Easy almost anyone will get it
  2. Foil drive = Hard but predictably works once people move their feet
  3. Dock start = Very hard, but clearly old people can do it and is well documented and just persistence
  4. Sup foil surf = people seem to eventually get there, already standing, so it’s just a matter of time
  5. Sup foil flat water = Hard and unlikely due to physical inability. Getting on foil is hard, learning to pump from there is very hard.
  6. Prone = Hard and probably not going to happen unless really dedicated. Most people just can’t catch enough waves even if they can find the time
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I fell like a tail with a bit more surface area would help you. That tail is pretty little and high aspect.

The transition from motoring to pumping is a lot like a skateboard ollie. As you accelerate, the power of the motor pushes the nose up and you need to get your weight up over your front foot to push it down. That is a big foil so it should rise back up easily.

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Hello, just wanted to follow up with an update. After another dozen or so sessions I got to the stage that I can pump a bit. Got a friend to take a video: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/p27VbwGcMOU

My question is - what in particular in my technique should I pay more attention to?

Or is it just matter of keep going and foiling more?