Trash-Bags (Parawing Lounge)

Winging
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S3 marginal conditions definitely requires a bit of maintenance by tugging on the outside A-Line (The one that is on the direction you want the PW to fly). This usually occurs when getting on the board or waiting on a gust or changing tacks while slogging. The wetter it is, the more this technique is required, as it will roll to the edge of the window if on just A-Lines or struggling to stay up.

After tons of sessions, the initial ‘issues’ are mostly gone for me - other than learning a good lightwind gybe. Its all muscle memory now.

Yeah 321-foiler - the Maliko V1 was a great PW to learn on. If you could learn to go upwind with that, you’re well on your way to be a strong parawinger, no matter what wing you try. Great physical ride for sure!

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the S3 is pretty wonky in light winds. I think that is what drove the L1 release. But its manageable once you learn what it wants. Its a front line flyer and will stall easily if you pull to much on the rear lines. I keep my back hand up against the bottom of the D Grip and never go lower when its light. Pulling on the top A line or twisting the handle to put tension on the top line will prevent it from diving into the water. And for relaunch I find its very quick to come off the water when straight downwind. Usually just pulling on the top of the bar gets it up. If its really light you can use the Red line on the A Lines to get it off the water.

But just know your not alone, it can be a temperamental pw if your not using the technique that it needs. Also know that it can be fixed with proper technique. Honestly this sort of feedback is what makes me want to highlight it to AB buyers. These High Aspect PW designs are more technical to fly, but it is totally worth it if you crave high VMG and rapid laps.

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Here’s a bit of plug/story for BRM:

When initially setting up the S3 demos in the Gear Library we had a bit of an “interview” on the phone. I was asked point blank if I was being paid for setting up the Gear Library or writing any reviews and I laughed and asked “am I supposed to be?” They explained they get hit up by influencers all the time asking for free gear in exchange for “reviews” and that they simply aren’t willing to do that.

Unfortunately, the demo demand was too high and time consuming so I decided to hand those back to them but I gotta say, they seem like a company that isn’t trying to ride the hype train to push their products.

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Thank you.

Will try the outside A line technique to water start

Once flying it’s fast (almost too fast if messy water state and short mast) and effortless upwind. I wasn’t even hooked in.

Neat backhand pumping to get on foil, it just want to fly forward, similar to the Frigate but with a very effective back hand pumping.

On land at least, seems like jibe works best with a pull then pivot of the back of the bar to tension then rotate the back lines. Was trying to pull on the inside back line like with the larger size Frigate and it didn’t work.

Forgot, this thing packs TINY. 4.2 S3 about the size of my Frigate 2.5

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Ah man, the internet was a better place when all we had was the BRM Maliko v1. Everybody we’re so stocked and just going upwind was a victory. No VMG, no GPS upwind angle and cell number talk. Just Greg posting free bar and bridal upgrade on the internet. The internet was pure.

Now everybody tries to maximise everything. The internet is crap again !
FUCK!

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The ‘line assisted’ Gybe with the S3 needs to be done with the outside line, not the inside I believe.

My latest mental notes on the traditional gybe and the S3 in lighter conditions come down to really being deliberate to transition the bar in the exact inverse of the board. IE. as soon as the nose points dead downwind, the bar needs to be swing through at the same point. You can’t be late or too quick. Also keeping it at the right altitude is important.

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About the BRM S3. I got a 5.3 out of curiosity recently. Have heard from several that it had a bit of personality.

Love it, and can’t say I have noticed anything I don’t like. Even when it is soaking wet, I don’t notice anything. (Same with my 777 hybrids.)

But i don’t use it in marginal conditions, for that i have the 6.5 L1. And I really enjoy riding properly powered up.

Also a thing that probably helps, i have had a hybrid 4.3 in my quiver since I started learning PW. So maybe I have some reflexes/adjustments that also fits the S3.

Recently also learned the Heineken/downloop thing gybe, and last time I was out on the 5.3 it was the only gybe I was doing. Have actually never been really comfortable with the regular gybe unless it’s nuking. Finally gybing on PW is actually fun.

About the whole thing about performance parawings being easy to use, or even beginner friendly. I believe that it is very difficult for someone super skilled to judge if a product is easy to use for others that are significantly less skilled. So unless they have lent it to a friend that is a beginner, I am not sure if I really believe it.

Just like when the Paia was launched, and X-foils asked Greg if it was something a beginner could use. And he said, yes, it is just different​:grinning_face:

For sure all with good intentions. Seams like a fantastic guy. He just can’t comprehend how it is to be a beginner.

(Bought the 5.3 Paia to learn parawing straight after the podcast, and never got up to standing position on the board)

Super excited about the new afterburner, but not buying one. At least not this week. Just enjoy the development, and happy to see brands trying all sorts of ways to improve parawings.

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The other complicating factor when someone says “beginner friendly” is that there many different beginners.

A beginner parawinger may have no wind or foil experience (the worst starting position) versus others with varying degrees of experience in either discipline.

The most successful beginners have either strong kite or wing foiling experience which makes handling and getting on foil much easier and to be honest are not beginners at all. See advice provided in other comments in this thread

As an intermediate advance wing foiler I am learning the sport using a 5m v1 PR and it has been much easier than some people made out and I think it’s largely due to my experience.

So we should be more precise when describing something as beginner friendly.

My observation from reading this thread and discussions with folks on the beach is that low aspect PWs are much easier to fly for riders with minimal wind experience due to their low end grunt that makes up for skill at the sacrifice of other attributes.

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I mean…thats a good reason for me. If i can sell my PP 4.3 for $500. Then buy the 4.3 Afterburner which is supposed to cover the 4 and 3 meter, thats good enough reason, right?

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Can confirm that the S3 definitely allows you to skip sizes. Not surprising that the AB is the same. My 5.3/3.4 quiver would have covered me from 13-30+ but I could not resist and just received my 2.1 to complete the quiver before my Gorge trip next week. Plan to switch to the 2.1 for 25+ days. This thing is so small cant wait to use it.

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The 2.1 and 2.7 really are different parawings, little weapons!

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I think when they suggest it for Advanced and Expert riders, they mean people who aren’t going to have an issue with their transitions. They’ll figure it out quickly.

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So many opinions here and so many distortions.

Firstly we got the Maliko and its poor behavior convinced most that this wasn’t even going to be a sport and in fact stalled the sport for a brief moment.

Along came the PR V1 and so many complained. The lines are too long, its too high aspect to get going off the water with power, i can’t pack it up because i don’t want to practice on the beach. Others were ripping upwind in relative comfort and accepting that a packdown required some technique but loved how amazing it sailed including jibes. hahaha

In response to the above the manufacturers delivered what an upwinder might call under preforming, but easy to pack and fly at least and had people thinking that shuttles are still the go. PP ,quest, Kanaha, 777 UWDW just to name a few.

Now we have PRv2 that should make most people very very happy including all the V1 complainers. If that is you and you want to be pulled off the water without pumping your legs, with packup and deploy success without too much planning, easy to learn on with market leading single skin upwind then ozone listened. My wife is currently learning on these V2’s.

For those of us that immediately sold our DW boards and have pushed and experienced the limits of the V2’s, when powered up, going hard upwind, then we look forward to possible solutions like the after burner. It needs to provide great VMG with comfort and as long as it packs only as good as a V1 PR or better we will be happy.

If you are having trouble light wind Jibing then solutions like the PRV2 is clearly your fit for your skill at this point in time.

PP = waves and shuttles.

PRV2 = great all round access to all the disiplines of parawinging with great upwind and learning characteristics.

Afterburner = Advanced riders pushing very hard upwind and those looking for sailing performance at speed.

Its pretty clear and simple.

I would also say the Ozone designers completely under sold the AB in their chat with Foilrat. Being careful with the release of information is critical for them with an already delayed frigate V2 watching on.

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