That track measures around 144 deg. but riding toeside probably makes a significant difference.
Here is my track, a couple of upwind legs and about a 1 mile DW run on the wing. IIRC, I was on a 4.5 wing & 800 AR 15 foil so pretty efficient gear, this is around 96 degrees tack to tack
Yeah, I can see the HA double skin being interesting to some. I bet it goes upwind great. Could be good for deflate DW type runs with a paddle but maybe not for pocketwing style DW? Going to be interesting for sure.
Looks like gong will have three models of Low Kite pocket wings
Neutra: single skin for light weight and easy pack down
Droid: Double skin for higher stability free ride, increased power vs single skin
Pulse: HA Double Skin highest upwind angle, more technical to fly vs the mid aspect double skin.
All will be âfoldableâ. Should be interesting to see how this all plays out. Hope they launch soon because I am ready to jump off the fence.
Double skin is surely going to be a nightmare if any water gets inside. I wonder if they cater to this
Nice protractor 
. Curious if these angles are any better as the current was negative in the last track and positive in this one:
Yeah double skin seems like more trouble then itâs worth if riding in actual breaking wave conditions. Would be fine on the outside though. Double skin kites are not new technology, they drain relatively quickly and stay pressurized to keep water out. Hard to tell if they are open or closed cell double skin kites though.
I am all in on the single skin though. Simplicity is key. Cool to see them pushing it though
Interesting, I tried a trainer kite and it was clearly not designed for water use, but gong probably can make the right compromises (and on price!)
I guess their wings have a tennis theme (top spin, score, drive, spin etc) so a swiss tennis icon name is consistent.
Roger That!
trainer kites are designed to be cheap and stable. I would not judge the potential performance of a foil kite based on the behavior of a trainer kite.
That one comes in at 134 degrees
The protractor is a Chrome extension called⊠Protractor
This seems to be the details on Gongâs contribution:
A bit confusing and at first read a little dissapointing in that they have three different offerings and the most parawing like offering they have is described as going only âslightlyâ upwind which seems like a step backwards.
The other two seem like they have better upwind performance but are double skinned - so will they re-launch from water reliably? Not clear.
The one with best upwind has longer lines / bridles and therefore not designed for mid run stashing. Presumably hard to relaunch mid session becasue the bridles get tangled too badly when packed down?
Overall not clear if any of these models solves the upwind / downwind challenge i was hoping for at least. But lets see ?
The Gongs are looking really good with several options depending on the goal. My goal is to get upwind and end up with a package on my back (or front 
) thatâs lighter than the 1.4Kg Strike V1 3.5 Iâm already using. Guessing even with the double skin itâll still pack up smaller and be lighter than the old F-one.
Donât care about re-deploying on the fly or downwind only so nice to have some performance upwind options.
Thanks for posting your tracks guys!
But how good is the relaunch going to be on a twin skin - if you drop it before you are ready to go back downwind?
Just a theory based on closed cell foil kites I suspect it would no be an issue and it may even relaunch easier then the single skin if it maintains pressure and its structure.
Now if it takes on water from a wave hit, well I am guessing that might take some patience. Usually you get them nose up and the water will start to drain, or if itâs windy enough it will relaunch with water inside and drain out as you fly it.
The trade off is the dual skin kites can be more powerful and higher performance vs single skin kites which prior to the FS peak were seen as only snow kites.
Personally like the simplicity of single skin kites. But if you primarily ride unbroken swell and need to go up wind I could see the appeal of the dual skin low kites.
Interesting to start seeing these in the wild.
A kite design that can do (or improve) what the BRM does at under 500⏠is what many are hungering for.
Right now i do not see a market for a âracyâ low kite,much less 2âŠ
But Gong are making lots of money in a tough market, guess they know what they are doing.
Those 2 gong low kites look like ram air kites that handle like wings but with worse relaunch. I want to see someone go for a session on one start to finish! Can you get out through shore break? Is it a launch on the beach and go out and hope it stays dry? Is it a paddle out and launch on the water? So many questions!
Iâm honestly in the same boat⊠Iâve used the BRMs and Iâm happy with what they can do - doesnât really need any radical design improvements. I just want the price to come downâŠ
If the Flow Paraglider version is even just a little cheaper, Iâll go with that option - because itâs colorful 
The two double skins are not really my bag either(see what I did there) but itâs cool to see them pushing the category.
Agree a double skin seems problematic in the surf zone but there are plenty other of days and locations where thatâs not an issue
Pros would be:
Perfect for upwind and then pack down, way better then a wing for this
No bladders, no pumping, quick launch
Potential for better upwind then most wings
Great for a lake
I will stick with the single skins too but I can see a market for both
I just feel with the long line double skins its all the problems of both the wing and the kite. Canât loop for power, need a dedicated launch, difficult relaunch, not good in the surf.
Much like giant ram air kites in kite foiling this seems like a race optimized thing for wingingâŠbut not having lines is what makes winging winging and it seems like that would be a tricky rule change to gain acceptance.
Maybe instead of a racing winging thing(wing with lines)âŠits a more practical ram air racing kite foil (kite racing with really short lines) - like you can race a course without half a dozen people wrapped up in the start and takes care of alot of that boat on boat stuff of kite racing. Now that i think about it i feel like thats probably it. Maybe my mistake is thinking about this from the surf/recreational foil/downwind perspective. Maybe if your a sailor looking for the speed of kite foil with more manuverability, tactics, boat on boat, and practicality this is a game changer.
