Trash-Bags (Parawing Lounge)

Which parawings use super light fabrics? I’m used to f-one which I think is 32g and I just got a 777 that is 26g and am super impressed with how light and compact it compresses. I think brm uses similar weight. Which other brands are using these sub 30g fabrics?

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That new PR v2 Ultra does I believe.

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I didn’t pack it on the water but it’s a non-issue. I chatted with one of the designers and if my memory serves me correctly I think he said it was 28 gsm. I think a little bit lighter than the Hatch v2’s 32 gsm, which I have also not had any issues with.

edit; I tested the 3.2m size.

777 has had problems with lines ripoing off from the trailing edge.They are very light indeed but everything has a drawback.

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I have three of those 777, never had any issues like that and I’ve use it in the gnarliest conditions.

That said, both 777 and BRM canopies are the hardest to water start from my experience.
I find my self fighting to relaunch both in marginal conditions.

Any info about new lighter water repellent materials under 30gsm that doesn’t stick to the water surface?

Nice stash technique and also cool to see the nitinol battens getting abused and springing back out.

Also saw this from Dylan. The PPC is a bit more than the hatch, but both nicely priced? Great evolution of these products

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Re: BRM S3 optional mod update. In order to make the D handle more one hand friendly, you can now move the two A-Line attachment points back towards the handle.

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Feeling good.

I can’t help but think this is essentially admitting defeat with the d-handle. After this mod, what is the point of the d-handle? You wouldn’t be able to hold the shovel grip one handed ever given how far back the a lines are. I still can’t get along with the D-handle as is, and It doesn’t seem like this is going to help any more than going to a straight bar. It essentially makes it work like a really short straight bar but with a useless shovel handle hanging out too far forward to be useful.

I think it should still provide max comfort when riding upwind two handed. Should be easier to fly one handed in powered conditions when getting on board etc. I’m most excited about the prospect of using my reverse hook without the need for a small harness line.

I’m out of the loop - are people really spending any time riding upwind two handed? as soon as I can hook in, I’m just managing the bar one-handed.

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In the top 10% of the wind range, I prefer two hands on the bar, but yeah I’m with you - flying like a bird with two arms outstretched :grinning_face:

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I do not see the point of spreading the lines connections in the front of the bar, when all the turning is oriented in the back lines.

Me. I may be an outlier as I’ve broken my right arm 7 times over my life. But I almost predominantly ride two handed. Toeside also.

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PSA

I don’t think it’s breaking news that the S3 is needy in light winds. But it’s a good video to understand how even very experienced riders can struggle with the technical nature of the S3, particularly in light wind. The S3 is a frontline flyer. If you put to much rear line tension as Dmitry unfortunately does during just about the entire painful clip it will stall and not take off from the water or fly well if your luck enough to get it off the water. Good for those considering the s3 to see and face as it’s a good example of what not to do.

Sounds like he is heading to Maui soon, hopefully he gets a chance to try the S3 again in better winds.

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Why would he post a video showing his likely first attempt to fly a particular PW in gusty light conditions. He clearly didn’t know how to properly fly the S3 and the DHandle. He kept letting the wingtip pull the wing into the water when a 3 second hold on the opposite A line would pull it right up off the water. It does illustrate the frustration that unfamiliar riders will have though :laughing:

The S3 is so good on the top end that it makes more sense to rig one size up rather than marginally on the low end of a particular size. Those conditions looked prime for the 5.3, not the 4.2.

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I watched some reviews, cool to see all the innovations. For 2027 I’d think the below are a good hitlist things that I noticed as a set of features to expect.

Bar:

  1. Naish style integrated harness line
  2. Frigate v2 with only 2 connection points
  3. Bar light, short, ergonomic (seems mostly the case?)
  4. Depower trim (I wasn’t sure this is a gamechanger, maybe? Armstrong looks good, AFS simpler version)

Collapsing

  1. First pull should get all the leading edge in hand (think Core and Hatch v2 does this nicely?), no gathering the ears to pack it.
  2. Nitinol rods on both Core and Naish

General

  1. Maximum durability
  2. AB upwind, Ultra X packability
  3. Hatch / Core price

Missed anything?

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Only murmurs, but I think we are going to start seeing a lot of brands combining fabrics in their parawings. Frigate v2 large sizes have lighter fabric in the trailing edge. I thought I heard somewhere that Core combined material weights (not sure). This is where wings started going after a few generations, and it makes sense to see it in parawings. THe difference between 32 and 26g material is huge in weight and packability (and maybe inversely durability).

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I am surprised at lack of user reports on the Armie depower system.