First sightings of the Armstrong parawing leaking out!
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The Ozone Ultra x is very packable I thought, which appeals, but the bar is too bloody long!
So I hope everyone drank their haterade because I have some ideas:
Telescopic bar from a hiking pole (50g)
Hatch v2 harness mod (the line will go in the tube)
Removable line bridge
I also did the B line split into B1 and B2 and it’s bloody good, gives much better steering authority. I would recommend!
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Could be foldable with a hinge in the middle, setup so that it can’t go past straight. Or even “click lock” in the riding position. Even the shortest bar I have, I wish it was shorter for packing
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yeah the ultralight trekking poles have a very nice folding mechanism. I think it’s worth considering because you gain a lot of steering authority with the longer pole from my testing.
All the brands bars are short enough. I don’t understand all the stress about this. I would rather a bar without the risk of mechanisms.
I don’t even get the pack away method and size stress. Most brands have had this good enough since the start. If you are putting it away then you are planning to stay up for a while and 10 extra seconds is irrelevant.
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Feel the same, 35cm seems like a sweet spot: long enough for good steering input, short enough to push and pull it in/out of the pouch opening without resistance or getting stuck at the corners if you center the bar in the middle of your folded Parawing.
I’d rather keep that internal bar space clean for future depowering-, cleat- or other AOA changing systems and overall KISS as much as possible.
On a side note and to add some “negativity”: These new lightweight bags (thin fabric, delicate sewing, with shoulder straps, mesh) that now come with parawings seem like the most nonsense addition ever especially if guys like @hydrogav, @foilrat tell people they could/will use these on the water.
In my mind Parawings should come with a simple bag for transport in which they don’t leak but still are able to dry, easy to carry/hang, functional, lightweight, keep the overall price down.
And on the other hand there are dedicated “Mission” Pack Products to buy seperate, in various versions for different sized riders, different liters, that hold up the constant beating of falling into the water and the bagback rising up to the water surface which is harsh on the shoulder strap attachments, being waterproof, having pockets infront of the shoulder straps (running vest style), optional waist belt, compartment for water bladder, softflasks, possibilty to add floatation and all the features one can think off.
For me that is obvious, but for someone thats just starts with parawinging maybe not. I think communicating these things clearly and truthfully will only benefit this new discipline in the long run.
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to pack two and wear a PFD per the Downwind safety - #199 by tangtonic
I’ve done a few offshore downwinds with two parawings and the original ozone bars are crazy hassle as they poke out the PFD and limit the vacuum bag for a wing you might not use
(maybe this is a PRv1 thing I’m sure all the new ones are much better and can manage a short bar)
I also prefer a solid bar but for example the 5.0 quest has a bar that doesn’t fit in my new patagonia guidewater sling. Kind of sad since the patagonia sling is really sweet.
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True, if you buy a quiver of parawings, there’s no need to have a backpack with every one. They contribute to the overall price of the product, and it would be better to have a good quality one as an option.
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Pretty happy with the PR1 V1 bar and stash. I have one in the fanny pack for the paddle through the shore break and I carry my biggest PW in the mission pack as a spare in case the wind drops.
Are you saying you fly one and carry two in a PFD?
no only 2, the issue is I wear a PFD and put the backup vacuumed in the hydration slot, which the bar is simply too long to fit, and for something I only seldom use, so the collapsing bar solution which works perfectly well, the second in the belt. Interestingly I’ve flown them without a bar and it works fine two handed.
i saw this on insta just now and I feel like you can’t deny this is suboptimal. As ever it’s a matter of preference, context, and usage, which if you don’t have a problem don’t see this as me trying to convince you otherwise, evidently others have this problem too.
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But you can buy a dedicated parawing backpack. From what I’ve read, they’re pretty expensive, and I’ve seen quite a few people mention straps breaking during crashes.
So if the extra cost is only $10 to turn the PW bag into a proper parawing backpack, I’m all for it at least until someone comes up with a solid, durable bag at a decent price.
I’m not too sure of the actual price of adding shoulder straps and buckles in a South Asian factory, it’s probably not too much, but if it’s done a bit on the cheap, and it breaks at the first crash, then it’s pointless. And if it’s serious quality, it’s possibly more expensive, and not needed on full quiver.
I guess there is a fine balance to be found there. And without exact knowledge of costs, it’s hard to tell. A $20 bag for a $1000 product is indeed acceptable.
I’m just concerned about prices creeping up all too easily nowadays…
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When the brands can get $150 or more for a well designed $20 to make a backpack - why would that get included in the sale? I’m onboard with just shipping the most minimal bag that holds the wing please. Let me choose my bag and not be forced to buy whatever they think is optimal.
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Yes sir Steeve! I just broke my straps on my mission pack after a hard fall. Second session with it. Godamn, shitty straps…
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Any AWSI party ppl try the Armie parawing? Are they not letting ppl take them on the water or something? I’ve heard NOTHING about how they fly.
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Armie is probs charging 1500 for their glorious v1 parawings
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Tried a couple of times but was told they were all out on the water. Got to try the Core and Cabrinha wings. Both are good solid entries into the parawing market, but I’m still happy on my Hatch v2’s. Core had a similar very solid feeling as the Hatch v2’s and I believe it’s largely due to the Nitinol battens which I think will (should) be industry standard.
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how is the pack volume on the core? from the videos and description of the material, sounds kinda high volume