Any timeline on the Amp mast ?
The price matters to some. How much?
I haven’t seen any footage of the paddle assist? How much assist is there?
Footage of paddle assist doesn’t really show much. You still have to paddle otherwise you are going out pretty slow. There is 3 levels. the higher the level the more battery you use, I use level 2 most the time. It just takes the pressure out of the shoulders and feels more like paddling a Mal vs a 4’2 prone board. also helps with Duck diving.
How much runtime does the paddle assist have at level 2 and 3 assuming the battery is not being used for boosts? Since you are trying to sell a 10k board to prospective buyers here, a video of the paddle assist even if the footage “doesn’t really show much” would still be a bare minimum imo. Please correct me if I am asking for too much. It shouldn’t be too hard to make a video showing the battery being drained at level 3 using only paddle assist, so we can know the true run times
Relax mate. You have already made it clear you don’t see the relevance of the product and that’s ok but your adversarial comments on this thread aren’t painting you in a great light in my opinion.
You can do some simple maths:
2 x 1kg batteries.
Assume cells make up 80% of battery weight (prob less with BMS and potting)
So 1.6KG of raw cells.
2170 cells are 70grams each.
1.6kg /0.07kg = 23 cells.
The best 2170 cells have about 18Wh of capacity.
So 18Wh x 23 = 414Wh.
It was mentioned above that paddle assist uses 400W of power, so paddle assist will last an hour non stop.
But, thinking again… packs are travel friendly, so limited to 160Wh each (if only 2) so 320Wh max.
So will be maybe 48mins at 400W in paddle assist mode.
You also get 40 boosts out of a charge. So each boost uses 8Wh of energy. So you could get 20 boosts and 24mins of paddle assist or any combination.
With these figure you can figure out how long a battery will last for a session how you would use it. If the wave is 100m long, you’ll get around 18 waves, boosting on to the wave and then using paddle assist to get back to the start.
I’d be cooked after 18 waves (minute plus rides with double dips) . My prone sessions are usually much less due to time constraints and beach break conditions and missing the peak etc.
The ability to catch bigger waves earlier and therefore in a less critical section of the wave sounds awesome. Also can make catching reforms on the inside easier.
Has this been confirmed at $10K? That would be quite steep for what you get. I would hope we’re talking more the price of a FD Slim and a board…
The selling point for me is no propeller and a lightweight rig. I’m hoping to gain the performance of paddle of an 8’ downwind board in a prone size package. The extra wave count would most likely have me gassed at about an hour which is what most of the Foil Drive riders seem to last as well.
The price has not been confirmed. Tariff’s ruined that release date.
No pricing yet. All I heard was “competitive”
Which sounds promising
I was doing math yesterday.
Most my FD clients are getting a FD, maybe an extra batterie, a board and a mast specific for FD.
You’re looking at about 10k right?
Then you upgrade to the HP motor and batterie, there is another 2. We are sitting at 12k that you didn’t spend all at one time. But that’s the reality
I think your math is very specific to one equation…! You don’t need a cavity board to make FD work, so just need a dedicated mast. Most people already have a board and foil, then a FD plus mast is all you need. Comparing the FD max with upgraded prop etc. is getting even further away from the Flightlab concept. But yeah, I wouldn’t expect this to be an Alibaba special!
I would hope it’s less then 10k
I would say 80% of my clients ( FD specific)
Are getting a board specifically for FD, not necessarily a trench. A mast and 2 batteries.
For sure they are not the same people looking for the AMP, but here is a cross over. I was just being specific to some people coming into the shop getting a LiftX at 14,499 and then being surprised by the price, when FoilDrive is coming close when you want it to be very dedicated and as HP as possible.
Still lighter, and slightly cheaper.
Again, I’m being very specific to a few. When you buy it all at once it feels like a heavy hit!
But when you get it all a few weeks apart as you decide to be very assist specific , it hurts less and feels less pricey. That’s just the human nature in us! We don’t want to add it all up, we justify it in little purchases
I think the AMP jet compares best to the Foildrive Gen2 SLIM Perf, which is what you would use for pure prone, only assisting you a few seconds to paddle waves.
One Slim Perf battery (166Wh) can provides the equivalent of 40 x 3 sec boost.
The Slim full kit is $4.5k and adds 3.75 kilos to an existing setup.
Foildrive mostly remains a retrofit system.
Specific masts and boards are very niche products, 99.9% of users are riding generic boards and masts, so the costs cannot really be inputted to FD.
Even if they stopped FD and would go manually proning, they would use the same gears.
I believe Dylan wasn’t referring to a pod-integrated mast, but rather to a mast dedicated solely to the Foil Drive, since many riders just leave the pod mounted on it.
As for the board, you’ll probably end up using a different one than your regular prone foil board. It might not be a board specifically made for Foil Drive, but you could end up using it exclusively for that purpose.
The same goes for the foil: since Foil Drive reduces or eliminates the need to pump, you can likely size down compared to your usual setup.
Also amp JET and amp MAST are two different products. The Jet doesn’t compare to FD at all really. James Casey was just using FD slim performance at foil fest because the assist heats were 10 minutes and he could stay on foil the whole time motoring around for 10 minutes. The jet would never work that way.
Eric is an absolute stamina machine.
I’ve been at the last four FSRLs alongside some of the world’s best downwinders and prone pumpers, and I ride with Eric occasionally. His pumping is on another level. When he was riding that chopped P125, he could link for over 10 minutes while surfing aggressively. Honestly, if he wanted to, he could break an hour on that chopped 125, no question.
He literally rides all day, every day.
According to my buddies at the demo, Eric and Adam aren’t even in the same cardio category. My point is: you could hand Eric any wing, and he’d still make it look good. From what I heard it was hard to get your hands on the gear to try. Many just went there and got to watch and touch.
I also thought it was funny that I guess Adam said the conditions were “pretty bad” and all of the Florida guys were like “no, it’s actually pretty good”. Florida and Byron Bay are completely different planets.
Yes Florida and Byron are very different . I don’t judge a foil buy the way Adam and Eric pump that’s for sure. I judge it by mere mortals including myself. I could never pump a sub 900 mid aspect foil yet I can pump the 707. Had people coming in from the demo blown away by how well the Flux foils pump
Any standout features on the foil that could contribute to pumping? Camber and thickness?