I don’t know about yall but after riding the uni vyper I’ll never give a thought to anything hyped by Bennetts ever again!
For real though I’m sure the foils are good - everyone makes good foils these days - even kiteboarding companies - but if they’re optimized for the stuff Bennetts rides then they’re probably NOT optimized for the stuff I ride. At the end of the day the small HA stuff beat the pants of mid aspects (like the vyper) because while the MA is 20% better on fast, powerful, ripping waves(enjoyed by MB) the small HAs are still fun on those waves while covering a large variety of conditions - where the MA fails.
Also, man if only Foil Drive had standardized the trench for board makers I feel like they could have a competitor in the jet space overnight (I feel like most of those trench gaps are too big)
interesting idea to drop the Amp gutter (or whatever Dylan called it sorry Dylan) into a trench board with some kind of spacer setup. Would it work? The Amp board has clever water flow things
Why I don’t disagree with you, I didn’t like the Viper at all part of the problem was the time from final design to in market was so long that it was already outdated before it hit the market. Ride a Flux before you judge. Is is very different to all the MAs out there. While everyone is trying to get the HA to surf better we did the oppisite and went from foil that surfs unreal and added low end and Pump. The guys were riding it in Florida in 1 foot and pumping around everywhere on the 707. Eric and Adam were on the proto 606 also pumping around everywhere. They have crazy low end!
I think you’re confused. The Vyper was exactly what the vyper was meant to do. It was one of the best tow and surf foils of the time. That was a LONG time ago. Back when people still liked foiling the wave they caught. It also had a very long delay in release. When it came out Adam was no longer riding it as the type of foiling that people were looking to do had moved on.
Now if you thought the vyper was going to be a stay up on foil for 5 minutes foil, then that was a misunderstanding. It was never made for that.
Foil design seems to have been heavily focused on the HA realm for a while now and the progression is obvious. Let’s turn the focus to surf foil progression for a few years!
im also extremely skeptical of all of this, first things first, why not be honest and start with the battery runtime at max power. Isnt it something like 3 or 5 minutes? Rather than saying 100 boosts. This allows a direct comparison to Foildrive max which is like 20-35minutes at max power. Personally, I dont use foil drive anymore, and I mainly tow, and would only be interested in a tow boogie style setup, and if that wasnt possible, I would rather be on a foil drive so I stay on foil for 35 minutes before going in to change the battery. I don’t really see how getting 100 boosts but making my board way heavier and paying 10k (a guess), while being a kook officially in the water (because im using a motorised board) is better than just using a 60L6’6’ midlength. you can definitely catch waves that aren’t as breaking and the swing weight is not necessarily better on the motorised board vs something lightweight like a 6’6 sunova. As for the flux wings, i remember right before it was out Mr B was saying that the Armstrong HA was better for smaller conditions as you can get away with alot smaller HA wing which rides faster and better than a larger MA wing that is slow. For me, I am riding the 650silk when conditions are a bit big, but when its smaller, the code S is perfect. Another thing is that while people are claiming the low end is good and pumping is great, why not just make it monobloc then? If youre really trying to make the best product with no compromises, then isn’t that it? Or is the goal to have everything fit into a nice board bag so it looks neat and sexy. On the last point, thats also directed as the new KD foils, I personally dont trust any system that is not monobloc in 2025. There is no excuse, you can look at duotone, even ENSIS (a brands foils uve never heard about), etc.. everyone is going monobloc, but that’s a much broader discussion.
No one has ever claimed 100 boost. It is closer to 40 depending on how quick you get up. Where have we been dishonest?? Max power is 3kw but that is pretty irrelevant to Motor on the mast as it’s a small Jet which is less efficient. But we are not continuously running we are only boosting into the wave so 3 to 5 secs. When we run paddle assist we are only running around 300 - 400 watts. Also as we get to the lower end of the battery we tapper the Max power to look after the battery but most people don’t notice it. I get anywhere between 1.5 - 2hr where I live. One of the first demo days in the US it was out on the water for 2.5hr before we changed batteries. You could drain it in 40mins if you fall off on every second wave. Let me know if you would like any other info on runtime??
You can’t compare it to a other Assists as you don’t efoil back out. Pros and cons to both systems. If you want to efoil back out you need more battery which weighs more. You also need a motor on the mast which can cause drag. A motor on the mast is an awesome option, we are creating both as we see the benefits of both. I love the Jet for Winging and downwind it’s a no brainer for those disciplines. I also love the jet for prone where I live as it feels closer to a non assist, but it won’t suit everyone.
As for monobloc try it before you dis it. We don’t have a mast connection. Monobloc is getting rid of a connection which makes the system stiffer. We got rid of that connection in a different place. No one has test/ridden the foil and complained about flex, quite the opposite. They all say they can’t believe how stiff it is.
just tell everyone what is the battery time of the jet board at max thrust.. if you are saying its 40 boosts x 4 seconds, that means its 160 seconds of power, which is under 3 minutes. The fact that you are not leading with this and instead saying “40 boosts” or “I can stay out for 2 hours before changing the battery” makes me feel like its something thats being hidden. If I were to use the foil drive max as a prone foil assist only for takeoffs I could stay out in the water for 1 month, but that’s hiding the fact that the battery provides only 20-30 minutes at max thrust. That max thrust run time (continuously without stopping) is the number one thing that’s on my mind if Im spending 10k on a jet board.
Sorry don’t get where you are coming from. The jet is timed to catch a wave. It doesn’t ever run continuous at flat out for 3minutes. How is that helping anyone undersatnd what sessiontime they are going to get. It’s for catching waves. telling people they can get around 40 boost gives them an idea of how many waves they can catch. Do you drive your car flat out at 220kmh and say it only travels for 80km at full throttle!
Most people who are using FD in waves are using it as a tool to motor back up to the beginning of the wave instead of having to prone paddle. If I were using the amp jet, I would likely want to motor back to the lineup instead of having to paddle, since I’m on an motorised board, that’s obvious. I’d like to know the runtimes so I know how much distance I can cover either at full power or at a lower power. Of course its more efficient to go at a lower power, but its quite easy to cheat the runtime, because you can say the battery lasts 5 hours if its working at 1W, so the max thrust number is very important. No one at FD will say their battery lasts 20 hours running at the bare minimum setting, but people do say it works 30 minutes at max power. Based on your last reply, it seems like the runtime is indeed under 3 minutes at full power. Maybe that’s ok with the community, but I think its important to make this clear, that this has less than 10% of the max run time of a FD max at max thrust.
Sorry if you haven’t understood the product. You pump back out or paddle assist back out. No way you are jetting back out at full thrust, it simply doesn’t work that way. Sounds like you are after a motor on the mast and the AMPJet is not for you.
Don’t worry oceanfrother, you don’t have to reply to Meow anymore. He doesn’t understand the product. Seems like he’s more than happy with a jetski so that’s fine.
The clips that are coming out of the demo days are pretty good. They do a good job explaining. Or one could go watch the xfoils podcast to fully understand the product.
I’ll definitely try to give one to go when someone shows up with one at my local!
On a more serious note, this couldn’t come at a better time. I feel like the Foil drive GEN two hype train was running a bit low and I was afraid the Foiling influencers of the world might be switching back to acoustic! I want them all to stay on the assist so I can see how big they get! It’s like those bears in Yellowstone gearing up to survive the winter. Nature is so majestic.
Sorry guys, would of loved to get you all on it. it was a last minute trip and we were limited on the gear I could fly over with. So we limited it most days to getting potential partners on the gear. We will be doing more demos in the future once we have demo gear in each country.
sorry Dylan) into a trench board with some kind of spacer setup. Would it work? The Amp board has clever water flow things