Introducing F4 Foils

It’s the same connection we use for the PWA windsurf slalom racing foils. M6 with proper thread engagement and a steel structural insert over molded in the mast. The design loads for windsurf are much higher since the fuselage to mast length is much longer to accommodate the sail being further forward and the riders are pretty big as well!

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LOL, ok.

I’m not a fat-ass either, but I am a big boy. And I will tell you with confidence nearly the entire foil community doesn’t understand big people and how to make equipment for big people. I’m not upset about it honestly, its the same for all industries - companies should cater to the majority of their customers. Big people have to ride slightly bigger gear, and big people break stuff. Sorry to say that it is non-linear. I might be only 20% heavier, but somehow thing break 100% more often.

Its all good! I just have to be selective to pick the brands that offer gear which I know will work for me. That’s not to say it won’t be great for almost everyone else!

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AXIS should’ve named the new mast fuse for pumping the Husky department.

Its ok to expect gear to be strong enough for the big boys but should you really be making judgement on a brand because of the size fasteners they have used. Its an overall engineering design solution for which the size of the fasteners are not specifically indicative of whether its solid or not.
Give the brand a chance in the market unless you have some knowledge.

The fone and AFS breakages have a much deeper story than the size of the fasteners and big boy DW pumping.

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What do you mean by fasteners. Can you take a look at the f4 system and compare it to the f-one and let me know if it’s sturdier or the same connection? I want to take a chance with the f4 but I am worried about the f-one connection

+1 on the 80cm mast. If they made an 80cm mast (skinny or regular) I think I’d likely buy a setup.

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I’m biting the bullet and going 85 over the 75.

Connections are nearly identical. Fuse to mast bolts uses (3) M6, are a little offset and outer corners has a different angle. I’ve had the original F-one 2 piece HM 75cm mast for 3 years and never encounter any issues but then again I’m light weight @ 72kg :sweat_smile:

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Chris from f4 said on the x foils podcast skinny masts in longer lengths are being released in a few weeks

Yes 85 and 95 are landing TE skinny are landing

Hi,

Confirmed!! Skinny 85 and 95 arrived, been doing some final testing before letting them go!! BTW, Sean Herbert was third at the wingfoil racing world championships on our foil! Not related to downwind or surf, but a huge result for us!

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Is there going to be a 120 tail? I ride the 120r from code almost for all conditions.

And is the dw te mast 11 and the normal te mast 13? Why is the dw te mast more expensive? Is it made from better materials? Is it better to use the dw te mast with say the 1250 and pump it aggressively at 100kg rider weight? Would that be too much force for the thinner dw te mast to handle?

@Chrisrad99 - I saw an 80cm downwind tuttle version mentioned above - is that really available? Could be a rad parawinging/dw setup!

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Anyone compare the 685 orca against afs enduro 700 or kt atlas?

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Hi,

Yes, there are a couple new stabilizers landing soon - 120xs and 100xs. We are seeing much greater interest so not sure the quantity we are building now will meet the demand!

There are new amazing Tuttle masts that are coming, just don’t have landing dates yet.

Regarding the 75TE vs skinny - we have larger riders on both, however for the 1250 I’d go with the TE mast!

Br,

Chris

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If you look at the pic Dylan posted, numbers depend on how a mast is measured - this 75cm mast once assembled is only 2cm shorter than the Code 80+.

Perfect length for prone or dwind imo.

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Funny the AFS 75 is about the same, 1-2cm shorter than Code 80..

Same with the Duotone 76cm Dlab 2.0

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Sabfoil’s 76 cm Piuma mast and fuselage:

and KT 77 cm mast:

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if anyone else wants to measure their mast please post them here

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