Prone Mast Moving Surf Size?

3ish months proning with Lift 170ha, 4’6 ss flying fish 35l, 180lbs. Kite foiled prior years. 30ish yrs surfing.
Month ago slammed mast all the way fwd. Much better for pumping.
Our surf is mostly 6sec period swell. Waist to stomach high, short wave rides so lots of pumping wave to wave.
2 for 1 can be a norm on days, 4 for 1 has been my best - going back straight out.

Question: do you guys move mast back when days get bigger? Or keep it same spot all the time and just learn to deal?

Chest+ overhead, steep drop days are kicking my ass on drop-ins. And then just holding on to not blow up with all the speed.
But if i make the drop the pump and glide feels like what im used to now.

If i move the mast back now, it feels like poo on the pump.

I’m sure I’ll get the 120 eventually, but i know i still have a lot to learn before throwing more variables at my riding.

OR
…just go back to surfing once head+

Thanks

I’m about 170 lbs and had the 170HA for awhile. It’s a great foil, but like you said gets to be a handful if it’s chest+ and steep. Moving the mast back a little will help with the initial drop, but your bigger problem is that you’re now further forward of the mast and either have to adjust further back on the board than normal once you’ve made the drop or stay where you are and burn your back leg out.

Going to the smaller foil is really the right course of action as it won’t want to launch you out of the water on the drop and you can have your mast in the same spot as you do with the 170 on smaller days. Not sure what mast length you’re riding but going with the longer mast for bigger days can help a lot too. When I moved up from the 28” to the 32” it made a big difference in avoiding inadvertent breaches at speed.

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A wider stance with front foot more forward helps me on the bigger days. Then just learn to shuffle front foot back (heel toe heel toe) before starting the pump. But a 170 is a lot of wing even for a fatty like me in overhead surf. Get that 120/130. They make for great kite foil wings too

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Totally agree with comments. At 180lbs the HA 170 should be your groveler. You need to go to a 120 if waist or higher or swell period greater than 7 sec.

Not sure if you have option to tune the Lifts tail, but a smaller tail helps with quick pitch correction - essential on steep drops. Keeping the board lower also helps slow things down (more mast drag)

Thanks guys.
After reading responses I pulled the trigger on the 120. I’ll just switch the 32 glide tail to it for now, but next step looks like maybe extender with carve 26 that I could use on 120 and 170 for different feels? We’ll see. Thanks

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Update for anyone going down similar rabbit hole. Lift foils for me, but same ideas may pertain to you with tail size, weight, fuselage, and foils…

170, 120, 90 all ha
32 glide, 33 carve, 26 carve
3 inch extension
28 inch mast (32 inch mast just bought, not ridden)
33l, 4’5 foil the world
175-180lbs before wetties
6 sec. wave periods norm. thigh to waist (summer no wetsuit) waist to couple feet over (winter) 3/2, 4/3 wetsuits.

170, 33 carve a favorite for a long time. Quick pump cadence and easy turns. Going long out the back a bit more tiring than glide 32, but turns more fun. Glide gives me a 2-3 pump, 1 free glide, 2-3 pump, 1 glide. Carve…pumping all the time with a small half sec pause every once in a while, but for most part it’s game on the whole time.
extension with 33 was a draggy beast. could go longer on pumps but felt too inefficient. a big difference to where i thought Carves were losing a lot of glide regardless of extension.

170 carve 26. For my weight i couldnt get a good pump rhythm. I felt i was always overpowering the tail on pumps. Just riding a wave was awesome, but trying to pump out was not working for me.

170, carve 26, extension. Works well. I like it when waves are waist to chest. I get enough speed to keep the pump going. Smaller surf i feel like I’m locked in a bit more. The pump is similar to carve 33, but i can get longer distance per pump. Turns are just slower and i kinda like the carve 33 with 170, no extension best.

120…originally with glide 32. loved as we had chest high summer surf for a week straight and was connecting 4, 5 waves no problem. The thing i noticed different was i wasnt pumping out the back. i was just pumping to the next wave or 2nd wave. Lots of fun but always going up and down the shore vs staying in one spot on 170.

120 carve 33. friggin loved it on a waist high day. thought this was going to be my go to from then on
Next session, i was.like wtf. i kept losing the pump trying to go outback. Havent tried again since.

120, carve 33, extension
too locked, felt slower to where id have to start pumping vs gliding out the back.

120 carve 26, extension. Again, for my weight, i feel i blow out the tail too easily on pumps. I can make it go for the next wave, but two or three back is a big chore and i have to be perfect with pump and mast height compared to my 150 lb friends.

6 months ago i epoxied winglets to tips of glide 32 to track a bit better like carve. sounds similar to lift’s new tails?. I since took them off, but am thinking about putting back on. i like the pump and distance on the glide, but turn of carves. Glides dont engage in turns unless you’re thinking rail to rail. if you go straight for a bit and then try to turn withought rail u can feel the back slide out.

recently grabbed a 90, carve 26, extension. ive omly ridden once with tow ins. Full on 180lbs, boots, gloves, helmet, 4/3, life vest so probably 190lbs. Lots of water moving around at our spot. I never got the pump down, but feeling like the Michelin man didnt help. 90 is rediculously looser than 120. i can feel it move with just ankle movement. i feel also that i need to move the 90 back further in box than i do 120, 170. it feels like a different foil entirely. i havent had a surf on it, yet.

for the future…i want to try 120 and 90 with carve 26 no extension ( though i probably won’t be able to pump outback)
I alos want to try both with 33 carve, no extensions, and then with with glide 32,.

For winging i put on 32 glide with 170 and 120. i havent had a chance with 90, yet. Carves with extension are fun too, but a bit more pitch sensitive for jibes. Glide also goes downwind easier. With the 120 and glide i can move forward on bumps vice going for bump behind me on 120 w carve or 170.

Hope this helps someone on their adventuure.

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The lift 170ha or 120ha with a KD Marlin tail is very fun. Solves some of the issues with speed range and very good in turbulence / whitewater

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I have felt a lot of what you’re saying here.

I’m 205 before winter stuff (NJ) and have the 120HA, 150HAX, 150 Surf. 26 Carve, 25 Glide, 32 Glide. 4’6 Amos Nitro @ 31L. I’ve tried similar combos. 150HAX with 32 Glide is ol reliable for smaller stuff, 150HAX with 26 Carve is much easier to turn and super fun with and without extender. 120HA with the 26 Carve is gold to my 150lbs friends, and to me it’s generally a tow set-up here. I’m headed to PR tomorrow and want to give the 120 more love if possible. Still dialing in mast placement on the new board and there should be plenty of swell for experimenting

Where in PR? Just got back . i rode the 150 HAX with the 21 flow

The lift affiliate gave me the lowdown on spots for foiling, i know the west side well for surfing but now foiling has opened up a whole new world

I find when its bigger surf i move the mast back about 1/2 a inch. hoping to get a 32" soon and a 120 HA

How is the 150 with the flow 21 stabilizer?

I wish they made a one piece that was exact carve + ext.

Flow seems long

love the flow, its more high aspect than the carve tail. if your loving the carve plus extender i would just keep that setup

def a similar ride and only about 3/4 inches longer fuselage

I love this progression as is very similar to my own…!
For sure get the HA120… I have gone through every other front wing lift has produced and now use the HA120 for virtually every set of conditions, big or small (ok so if it’s TINY I’ll take the 150x). I’m 85kg.
Biggest thing you can do once you’re comfortable with the HA120 is switch up the tail. The lift tails are good but limited (i have/tried them all, carves/extenders you name it).
Get the foil parts adapter(s) and get some KD Maui tails.
For me, the boomerang tail really lit the HA120 up, but i have since discovered the ‘R’ series’ My favourite setup for what seems to be effortless ‘springy’ pumping is the foilparts short fuse and the KD 14R tail. It has a low stall speed, heaps of power and it just enhances the smoothness, glide and speed of the HA120.
Get the 120. You will not regret it… I would go as far as to say that the HA120 is one of the best things that’s ever happened to me… sad but true!

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