Does Unifoil plan on making smaller Hyper 2’s ever?
What did you find works for you?
I’m trying to tune in setup for winter. Just got in from 1st session on viper 90. flat water session towing with katana 950 mast and neutral (shiv?) tail. 0 shim. Kept moving mast forward until I lost the back leg burn. Might try the shunt next time.
What tail do you use with the ha70? 32” mast is enough?
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I’m kitefoiling on the 130 and 150 Vypers in the surf. My setup to prevent the nose dive is 13” Shunt with the 1.5 shim and mast moved forward so that my back foot is just behind the trailing edge of the mast.
If I want even more front foot pressure then I go 13” Shunt with 2.0 shim or 14” Shunt with 1.5 shim but my front leg tends to burn out with these setups.
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I use the KD Marlin 14", FoilParts long adapter, tail at the longest position. With shorter fuse position or smaller tails, the 70HA can feel a bit squirrely.
So far, 32" mast has been enough. Biggest waves I’ve ridden with 70HA have been around 8’ faces. I’ve read that others did not like the 70HA for bigger waves because it creates too much lift/front foot pressure.
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thank you - heard anything about the 72LCX in comparison to the HA70? Seem to be similar AR but i’m guessing the HA70 is a smaller version of the HA range (derrr), and the 72LCX is much more tow specific. Would love to hear from anyone who’s tried it.
Was lucky enough to try the 72LCX and 70HA in decent sized energy back to back this last winter. Both on 36HM mast. The 72LCX definitely has a higher stall speed and needs more energy/ likes more energy than the 70ha. Tried both foils with a Lift tail adaptor with a fast KD tail and also with the 20 carve with extender. Both foils were great with each tail set up. The 72LCX is the best foil for big energy / very large waves/ steeper waves/ long period swell. The 70ha is better in slower/ mushier waves when a little bigger. 70ha has more glide/ pump/ effiency/ but is not as pitch stabile when going fast as compared to 72lCX. The 70ha was one of my favorite tow foils from chest to overhead until I tried the Code 615s. Now the Code 615s is my go to for just about all tow conditions, it is an amazing/ magic foil that I am surprised is not talked about more. 615s has a really wide and pitch stabile speed range with tons of efficiency while still turning extremely well. Does everything great and you can still connect waves on it when needed. Need to have well overhead/ big energy/ steep waves for me to get back on the Lift 72lcx.
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That’s excellent info thank you!
Have you tried towing the Silk 650, as compared to the code 615s?
Have not foiled on the Silk 650 so can not compare directly. Only been on the Silk 1050 and Kujira 2 800 and Kujira 1 750. My pure guess and speculation is that the Silk 650 is going to have more front foot pressure when you increase speed vs the Code 615 and Lift 70ha and 72lcx. Code 615s is very neutral on foot pressure across the speed range. When going in bigger conditions use a negative shim on 142 tail and no shim on 120r tail. The lift foils get more back foot pressure when you get into the high speed end of the foil efficiency range. (you are in large energy and going fast if you get the 72lcx pitching forward/ have to increase back foot pressure). The Takuma and Silk foils I have been on want to push up when they get into the higher speed ranges. You have to increase your front foot pressure to hold them down when going fast/ in large energy. Becomes a preference to what you prefer.
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I have a Lift 60 and it’s fun but as soon as you release the rope it sinks so timing is key. Haven’t tried any of the other foils in this thread but I my guess is that they’ll glide a bit longer.
Wanted to bump this because the Code 500s is now out. The 500s in my opinion sits right between the Code 615s and the Lift 72lcx. Has as much glide and more pump than Lift 70ha and handles more energy than lift 70ha. Code 500s turns better than Lift 70ha.
If you are in really large energy the Lift 72lcx is a better foil to handle the energy but you really need to be in xl energy. Where I am located may only happen 1-3 times a year.
The 500s has great glide to sink ratio while being able to handle larger energy. So you can have a blast towing a wide range of conditions starting at head high and going way up.
Code is about to release a mid aspect surf wing. If you check some of josh kus posts that’s what he’s been riding.
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Did you go with the 950 Katana to help you prevent overfoil/getting launched? I was thinking about this recently. A few more inches might give me enought time to correct.
When you go with a longer mast you have more margin for error when going up and down on height. It is more forgiving for breaching but you loose responsiveness.
On a powered set up (wing / kite) generally are easier on longer mast when going fast and have less drawbacks than towing.
It is a matter of opinion and becomes a preference but I do not like to go longer than an 85 length mast when tow foiling unless it is really massive. Just because you loose so much turning response and have more delayed inputs on longer masts.
To gain back the turning response when riding a mast over 85cm you have to ride higher on the mast and then it defeats the whole purpose of a longer mast for extra leeway.
All goes out the window on mast length when in really large surf and you can ride super long masts because it is more survival. 40 inch/ 100 plus cm / custom mast lengths are the norm.
Thanks. Thats a great break down.