Nice to see many options but i still think the prices are kinda piratical.
These thingies should be 500€ max for 5m IMHO.
I know, i know…free market,offer&demand, self adjust…
But they are really milking the novelty factor.
I mean, i really want this toy but i am too cheap to pay for it at current prices
Takoon coming in HOT with the pricing. $382 for a 3m and $541 for a 5m.
Ive used Takoon wings in the past and they were actually reasonably good value. Nothing fancy in terms of the materials, but the product is pretty well designed and built for the money. A little risky going with a gen1 product, but it has potential at that pricing.
Sweet! Do they ship to USA? not working for me
Yes. Ive placed several orders with them in the US. No problems.
hopefully just a glitch. tried a bunch of times
Preordered a Takoon Zenith 4m…no reviews,just a paltry 13sec vid…Barnum had it right
Id reach out to them directly. Might have to do with VAT or something. They used to have a warehouse with stock in the US, but I think they closed it a couple years ago and are shipping everything from Europe. I have ordered items from them that have shipped directly from Europe without issue (a board bag and a wing).
Takoon used to ship to USA/Canada but their shipping costs were outlandish. Expect $150 to ship a simple parawing from them, better buy a quiver at a time.
They told you that or you’re just randomly making up a shipping price?
I emailed them and they sent a link to pay. Shipping is $60 to New Jersey . Not cheap but not terrible
Oooof, that’s a pretty useless video. The guy is out running the thing continuously and it’s hard to believe it would go upwind. To be fair though he’s in super light wind and a big HA foil would quickly go faster than the wind.
Still, a great price and would certainly work for downwind.
A friend here just modded an old traction kite for free. He’s sending all the regular downwind routes on his Dragonfly 7’4. No interest in going upwind anyway.
It looks like the hardest part of this new form of foiling will be actually getting the parawing
IMHO if the BRM goes upwind then the Takoon will too…it looks cleaner,more stable and efficient to my (future owner ) eyes
I have measured gps tracks of different brands …and they all gave similar angles.
Worse than a decent winger on decent gear but still useable enough, in the 4-5 Kt VMG range=(4-5 Nautical miles of direct upwind gained in an hour).
Lots of unknowns of course,foil,tide ,rider ability etc…
Twin Skin foils will be the future for those of us that prioritize upwind and speed for downwind. For surf maybe not.
They’ll figure out a way to deflate quickly. Open Cell is fine with proper drainage , these aren’t going to be sitting on the water for a while as a kite would be for self rescue.
Maybe, but with these small aspect ratios i would not expect perfo miracles from Double Skin.
You would have to use longer lines (i think it is what Gong is preparing) to go bigger span…deflating is going to be very cumbersome.
Orange track is 777 ParaTow DoubleSkin with pulley system
The other is Ensis Roger Single
The Ensis is getting incredible angles,of course rider is Michael Naf and he was pushing the upwind potential but still, i would have expected the 777 to be on another level, it does not seem so.
Time will tell, but I predict we’re going to see a new “bar” format for parawings.
I’m envisioning a T-bar. One key innovation of the BRM was rotating the bar 90 deg versus a typical kit so we have de-power control.
Right now we are limited on aspect ratio of the wing because all the lines need to come to a point in a short distance. That means the wing has to have an arc. with radius at the length of the lines. We want short lines but it really limits the span of the wing and thus the aspect ratio.
A “T-bar” would allow us to get the outboard lines split a bit apart, which would enable wider span and higher aspect ratios.
I’ll have to mock this up…
Triple-7 has a pretty interesting new bar system that almost looks like sort of a pulley. Admittedly, I haven’t spent enough time to fully decipher the design, but it might be an advancement in this direction. Seems to be more oriented towards depower vs changing AR.
The “T-bar” would make it much harder to handle because it would induce a torque on your front hand.
This style of kite control system has been around for over 20 years, it’s nothing new to kites.
I wonder how much, when you move the bar, it’s changing the profile vs sheeting the angle of attack. Maybe if part of the system ran along the inside(rider side) of the bar you could apply grip pressure to stabilize the trim system or let it slide so the rider could actively control trim vs profile adjustment.
yeah maybe, maybe not. The bar as it is oriented right now doesn’t need to apply a torque through the lines (indeed can’t do so), so I am thinking the T-bar won’t require it either. Its all talk until I or someone else tries it though