$1600 duty to get my $1000 gear!

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Delta foils are made in China. 50% of ML foils are made in Italy.

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AIUI they just have a warehouse in PR and the factory is China

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I believe that the ML’s that are made in Europe are only for European customers (obviously very large race scene over there). The ML’s that are made in the US are usually only for US customers. There’s not a lot of crossover. (ie if you’re in the US and order a ML foil, it will be from the US)

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Looks like US is working like Brazil. Does not matter where it came from but where it was made

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A lot of us on the east coast USA have had our ML foils made and sent from Italy.

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Color me corrected! Maybe I can get a 525 that way *drool

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(item value) x 1,4 x 1,6

is exacly the same as

(item value) x 1,6 x 1,4

or did i get my math wrong?

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Youre right, you changed my views and perception of the world, thank you !!

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I don’t know for sure but I think most of the carbon, glass, resin and foam are imports from china. It is kinda like saying Teslas are American made while most of the parts are imported. Its all a fucking cluster and I am glad I have plenty of kit to weather this storm.

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We can always ask @Greg_F

The boards are made by appletree in Europe. The foils though I believe are sourced from USA. Not sure of where the raw carbon originally comes from I guess.

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China is the leading producer. There are other sources, but I don’t know which may produce CF useful in foil and board production. As I always prefer to buy “local”, I’d be interested to know the answers.

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I do know of an efoil company was weaving their own carbon. So if you have to buy the raw material from China, but it is being manipulated in the USA to that degree, you’d have to say that’s made in the USA right?

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I don’t think so, as far as the FTC regulations on stamping made in the USA on your products are concerned.

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I don’t know about this stuff. But someone smarter than me used this illustration.

So for a T-shirt if the fibres were woven in China, and it was sewn up in Bangladesh, but it was screen printed in Detroit it would only be considered made in USA if the screen printing cost and labour was greater than the cost of the fibres and manufacture of the T-shirt in the finished good

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I don’t know if cost alone would be sufficient there, it’s still substantially a foreign made T-shirt. Like the example of a wrench made from imported steel.

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I don’t believe this is true. I’ve been in the tee printing business for 10+ years and that doesn’t sound familiar. Screen printing alone is not enough of a substantial transformation to override country of assembly

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Your math is accurate but the equation you are thinking of vs what I am thinking of is different.

If we look at a complete gong setup and the retail price is $1700 then we add a 150% tariff we get a tariff of 2550. Total cost $4250

If we look at a Code complete and retail cost is $2265 but the value when it’s imported is actually valued at $1360 ($905 dealer markup). You get hit with the 150% tariff on the $1360 which is a $2040 tariff putting the price at $3400. Then you add the dealer markup from the original MSRP for a grand total of $4305

The result is that the original $550 difference in the Code vs Gong setup is now cut to only $55 difference.

But… we’re still not buying at those prices so we just gotta wait it out and ride the fun stuff we already have!

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Tariffs dropped to 30% I wonder how this will affect everything coming in.

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Everyone has 90 days to get their gear. Clock is ticking…
:rofl: The inmates are in charge of the asylum now.

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why would that be?

  1. the dealer has to pay the tariffs so the item cost for him is item value+tariff

  2. he will (have to) put his markup on his expenses