I realize the Fireball’s were JUST released but maybe someone on here has already got one or they have access to pre-released versions but can anyone give a comparison between the 1201 ART Pro and the 1070 Fireball for downwinding? (ease of pop up, speed range, turnability, glide?).
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interested in this too.
numbers don’t tell the story, but suggest they won’t be close
I heard about a ART 1099 v2 that might be interesting
I’ve ridden the FB 1070 and 880. The Fireballs have better low end and earlier lift than the Art Pros. They say they have a higher end than the Art Pros, but I’m not so sure about that. They really are very close tho. I feel the Art Pros breach tips a little better. But if I’m choosing a light wind foil, I’d go Fireball 1070 over the Art pro 1051 due to the better low end.
so, you’re equating the 1070 more or less with the 1051 but with much better low end. That makes sense to me. But to the original question about the 1201, not even the same solar system in similarity
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You’re absolutely right. But if you go back to so many of the Axis’ releases (oddly the 1201 being the exception), they usually release the middle of the range… and then later bigger and smaller sizes. I don’t think there’s an equivalent Fireball to the Art Pro 1201… YET.
Insta from Paul. He is probably 190 lbs or more.
At least the marketing line I believe is that the Fireball 1000 has better lowend than the Art Pro 1051 but faster than the Art Pro 951…
It was mentioned by someone that the Fireball 1070 has a bit better lowend than the Art Pro 1121.
How much of this to believe, I am unsure. But I am myself interested in the 1070 as a step down foil to my Art Pro 1201 for DW.
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Hopefully I will have some feedback on Art Pro v Fireball soon.
I currently dw on Art Pro 1201 mainly but also have AP1121 and 1401.
My 1070 Fireball has arrived and I will be getting on the water when I can.
Looks like it might be a while till I can get an ocean run in but I might be able to do a river run tomorrow.
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How well do they turn?
Not sure yet as I haven’t been able to try it but just by the shape you can see they will be way better than the artpro.
Won’t be anything like the spitfire though.
For downwind though give me the extra glide any day.
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Thanks- I’m very curious how they compare to the ART v2’s
I’ve had 2 sessions on the 1000 fireball after the 1121 art pro, I was wary about being able to SUP such a small foil but it’s easier than I expected, happy so far. Go a bit longer on the fuse seems to be the advice and I think sensible.
Answering the question:
I’m interested to hear someone that’s a decent prone surfer ride the fireball and compare it to progression wings
Why? AR13 vs AR8-10.
I’m interested to hear how it compares. Example: IMO the progression 170 pumps better than the axis 1099 prone surfing. If we just looked at numbers, that shouldn’t be the case, but it is. Ride reports mean more to me than specs
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To me these fireballs look like a similar design to the code Rs. While the Rs are epic for DW I really don’t like them prone when there is the S series. S series ride like a way faster progression that doesn’t quite roll as well. Closer to the lift HAs in how they surf
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apples and oranges comparison, much like the below comparison you make. The fireball is like the ART, super efficient, high performance. The key difference seemingly is that fireball is more user friendly and refined.
The axis 1099 pumps more efficiently, the 170 is easier. I think the key thing to realise is that “better” depends on the context.
I’m curious how the fireballs turn?
They’re maybe somewhat pitchy through powered turns but very stable going fast is my first impression. Loose and easy to move around, but with that high aspect what you expect and what you get is quite a sensitive pitch angle. I think Oskar talks about this in the DWP review video