Does anyone have experience with both Axis spitfire and Code s series? I’ve been trying to decide on my next foil for a while and these two have piqued my interest the most.
I’ll be surfing small waves and downwinding on lake superior. Both of these seem like great options for slow moving bumps and small wave surfing.
I’m looking at the 1130/1300 from code and the 1030/1100 from axis.
I’ll likely be downwinding most of the time as I have to drive for waves.
Spitfire turns the best because it’s the slowest and lowest aspect surf wing. It also pumps the worst. The kujira2 glides and pumps better and turns just as good. Silk is another step up in glide from the kj2. Code is maximum glide and pump (same as an art) and can still turn really well, but you need to have mastered turning close in the pocket on a mid aspect wing first and adjust your lines for turning on the code. Once you’ve figured that out code turns amazingly well for a high aspect wing that’s marketed as a mid aspect.
I’ve ridden both, they are completely different.
Spitfire is a great medium aspect wing (better turning, worse pump/glide) that anyone can enjoy.
Code is a great high aspect wing (worse turning, better pump/glide) that is for advanced riders.
I would recommend you get a Unifoil Progression as it sits in the middle as a high aspect wing that anyone can enjoy. I have no conflict of interest.
I would be inclined to go unifoil if it sits in the middle.
I thought the spitfire would make sense as I’ve heard its slower and possibly therefore better for lake waves. Although I suppose pumpability is important for downwind.
What would you say makes the code for advanced riders?
Interesting. User friendly is definitely a trait i’m looking for at this stage.
I would imagine swell period should be.huge factor for your selection. Example: Florida has mostly short period swells 6-10 seconds (so much slower swell).
7 seconds period x 1.5 = 10.5 knots
16 second period x 1.5 = 24 knots
Both could be a 2ft swell… but completely different speeds
Foils should be sold as regionally specific. Foils that are developed for Hawaii DW for example don’t work as well here in Los Angeles. Once we have region specific foils it’ll be easier to recommend what people should use.
No idea what the period or speed would be here but certainly slower than the ocean. Totally agree its a big factor in selection, that’s why the spitfire was appealing.
Again, I’m in central Florida. Based on our group of ~ 30 prone foilers and what people seem to like:
IMO:
Turning 1st priority, then pumping- my picks are new takuma & Fone sk8 (in no particular order)
If you’re a pumping 1st, turning second kind of person (like me) - my picks are Uni progression and the new Armstrong
For the record, I was an Armstrong hater, but the new wing is very impressive. I personally ride Uni and formally rode takuma. Uni has my favorite construction of the group
Can anyone give insight on downwinding with the uni progressions? Especially in small conditions and bay runs.
Appreciate all the responses so far, every data point helps!
All those ambassador contracts are up. It was bound to happen.
Progressions will be good on bay runs. Josh Ku downwinded the 125 progression tons in the ocean too.
Code 1300s is likely the foil you’re looking for. Where are you planning on foiling? There is a downwind calculator that will let you put in the conditions and it spits out the swell.
Wave Calculator - SWELLBEAT Wave generation calculator at the bottom.
My guess is that’s more about pay than gear…
My 2nd thought is aren’t “most” DW riders on larger easy to use wings? I know the axis 1300 is wildly popular and it’s giant. I’m guessing most people starting their journey aren’t on the same 800sqcm front wings as the sponsored riders anyway.
Observations from being in Coach Casey Club for over a year. Watching people go from learning to then acing runs. Yes, you start on a large foil. If you can’t paddle up, you can’t downwind. Use the big foil until you can ace runs. Then start sizing down. Realized you sized down to far. Go back to the big foil to get your confidence back. Size down and repeat.
So make sure whatever system you choose to go with has lots of room on both sides of the equation. Which is why many people go with AXIS. In ease of paddle up I’ve seen the AXIS lineup something like, 1310, 1150, 1300, 1201, 1050, faster ART Pro’s, larger spitfires.
The question for the OP is, can you paddle up a Progression 200? @foilwithme on instagram is using that for his DW foil in the ocean on DW runs.
Code 1300 is my current top choice based on:
Size - Currently riding axis 1150 for dw, 1300 seems like a good next size/for bigger conditions
AR - Since surfing is secondary for me, better pump and glide makes sense. One of the reasons I started looking outside of axis was the gap between spitfire and art pro.
Build - The fuse connection looks really solid and the top of the mast is quite beefy which i’m guessing means stiff.
Availability - Against all odds we have a dealer in Canada, hopefully pricing is in the realm of uni/axis
Content - Code put out a video of a lady learning downwind on the 1300 and 1130. She’s lighter than me but it was still good to see. Also, James’ full break down of the 1300 was intriguing.
Feedback - Lots of positive feedback. Everyone is going to say their new foil is sick but i haven’t seen anything negative yet.
@Hdip I’ll be foiling on Lake Superior mostly, hopefully make it to Maui or Hood River soon. And I can paddle up the 1150. I wouldn’t be ready to dw the 1300 yet but it would be great for surfing our small lake waves.
Ah, perfect. Message this guy and ask him. He’s using the progressions on Lake Superior.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CxrJ3r-xno-/
EDIT: his youtube. https://www.youtube.com/@andy_foils
HAH! yeah, my brain isn’t very searchable, it has a lot of info in it though.
Haha i’ve been looking for this guy! thank you
I saw his youtube video but couldn’t find his insta.
I thought I had my mind made on the progression 200 but I have another dilemma:
I could go with the new spitfire 1180, 9.1 AR, 1550 cm2, which would probably be easier to progress on and go in lighter conditions. The downside is the smaller spitfire wings are lower AR and like everyone has said, not super efficient.
Or go with the P200 at 1290cm2, potentially limiting the light wind runs and making it harder to paddle up but sounds like its better suited to what I want.
Please help me put an end to this, it’s all I can think about.
Stop reading numbers. Get demos of both. I’d imagine the progression will have the better low end. (I have not ridden either haha)
I have to travel far and wide for that but I will on my next trip. The numbers are all I got for now.