I’ve been on the 860R & 150AR for about a month and weighing 98kg I’m loving it. Been sup dw and sup foiling it in NJ in small conditions. I think the 960R could be useful on the smaller days that I’m forcing runs in 10-12knts, (training for M2M), but man the foil feels great. Coming from Takuma kujira II wings so no surprise the big jump in efficiency and glide. Used it on a 17 mile bay run my second day and a 25 mile ocean run on my third day. Handled both with ease, very impressed with how easy it feels to paddle up at my weight and its range. My avg km range from 2:20-2:58. Unlocked some fun carving 360s downwind with the extra glide. STOKED!
Any Code users able to speak on this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETvGlucKtG4
Has me curious about Code again. TLDR: Code foil sections are very thin and thats why they can have more lift at smaller sizes and still be very fast/glidey
Can only echo Jef_spicoli’s experiences on the 860R (and I’m only 87Kg). So far I’ve only the LONG fuse and 135R tail but I’m blown away how tightly I can turn this setup (that theoretically shouldn’t turn all that well). This is basically a one foil does all system for me. I’ve got a 1075R/ M fuse / 120R setup on the way too and can’t wait to mix and match parts to see what works best.
yeah, since I got the 860R its been my one foil for everything at 95kg
Coming from being a 2-3 year gofoil guy on the rs1150 and now primarily on the 860r it makes sense with what I’m feeling.
Yes that 860 has the magic. Its hard to ride anything else on a DW run honestly. Its got so much range to it, i always feel sad when I decide to test something out, get nervous sweats when i dont have my 860 on for a run! Its made my runs so easy and predictable.
I honestly dont use it for anything other then DW SUP foiling. I have used them all, but i can never, NEVER go wrong with a 860R/med fuse/ 150AR.
full disclosure im a US Code Dealer. But i only rep 2 brands in my shop, so I really go all in on the brands I believe in and have been extremely fortunate to be the first to have code and explore this range with them and my cleints/ community. I have yet to fins a code i dont love honestly. But my favorite is the 860R for my favorite sport DW.
Just to update the thread, I got ahold of the 960R and the 1075R to replace my bigger ARTPro foils on small swell light wind days. The 1075R is fantastic and rides great for a big foil. The early lift gets going really slow but comes up very smoothly. And it doesn’t have the big wing flexy delayed turning that the 1201 has.
ive been using the 1075r in prone for small conditions and the 770 (soon to be using the 680) for medium conditions. unbeatable performance for pumping and still turns good, doesnt get overfoiled. very user friendly ar 13 foils for the surf surprisingly. i will still take out the 980s if i wanna focus more on turns and carving the face of the wave and can still link waves, but i can link twice as many waves on the 770 vs the 980.
Seeing as you’re a dealer I’m going to bombard you with my questions…
I’m eyeing off a change to Code after trying some other brand high aspect foils in light DW conditions over the weekend. My current brand (not naming anyone) doesn’t really have anything high aspect, and it feels sluggish by comparison.
I’m going to try and get a hold of some demo gear to see if I have similar luck with the Code R series.
What would you suggest for a two wing quiver for a 85-90kg guy, getting up in most bumps now, working on longer runs, pumping between gaps, love cranking turns too. Hatchery & Rufus runs, from anywhere 15 - 30 knots? Stick to R series? 1075 for lighter days, 860 for when it’s cranking? Med fuse? Tail?
As for mast, I’ll be wanting to wing & prone too (with the S series I would imagine), so I was thinking the 80cm would be nice?
Hey man, I did a couple days out in hood on the code gear. I had 860R and 980S with me, and only used the 135R tail while there. 80kg rider weight. I preferred the 980S for the tunnel 4 / Hatchery runs in the corridor. The bumps are so slow/stacked/easy and the glide on the S is plenty. I ran the 860 a couple times there too, and its also fine, but way fast and cant turn in the pockets as well. I did 4 runs out in Arlington in higher winds, and used the 860R there and think it was the right move for the bigger swell. Hope this helps, maybe scale up a size or so based on weight/skill etc.
Thanks for the beta. I was also considering swapping the 1075R for an 1130/1300S for those lighter days, and sticking with the 860R for higher wind/faster days like you say.
The only thing making me hesitant is the runs back home will be open ocean swell - and I’ve also got some friends back home who like to sup surf the 1075R in waves and absolutely love it.
Choices choices choices
Nice, I also am always doing ocean runs at home and 860 is awesome for that. Our summer is no wind season so I picked up a 1075 and got it out for the first time yesterday. It feels dog slow compared to the 860, but i managed a 2:37/km and averaged ~2:45/km for ~10 miles of foiling. The slowest I have managed on the 860 is around there so seems like a good quiver match.
Just tried for the first time the 860R yesterday ; usually I’m with the Lift 110/130F, sometimes 150HAX. First run with XS/120R, second run with M/120R ; XS is too unstable, M feels much much better.
I’d say that the 860R has even a better low end than the 150HAX, take off is probably the same but glide and pumping is much better. All that with the average top speed of the 130F.
So I’d say range is quite good, but to me the biggest difference is that it’s significantly less physically demanding than Lift.
On the other hand, Lift feels much more dynamic : it surfs better, accelerates faster, and has a higher top speed (though the average speed remains the same).
Yes, the Lift wings you mention do surf better, as they should with their significantly shorter wing spans and much lower aspect ratios. You should probably compare these Lift wings to the 770 or 680R. The 860R foils much bigger than the numbers indicate. Dump the 120 and get a 135R.
Sadly, every Lift wing and mast I’ve owned (150X, 110X) cracked (and they were great about warranting everything). That said my Code 860R has at least 1000 hours of hard winging and SUP downwind on it with no issues. Both 75 and 80cm masts are going strong as well.
Lift, the gift that keeps giving.
They were great about everything. I should mention that neither the 150 or 110 were in danger of catastrophic failure and I could probably still be using them. It was just salt lines in the web area where the TE meets the fuse. Both of those wings were super fun.
Why using the 135 instead of the 120 ?
And I guess yes, I should compare the 130/110 with smaller sizes. Only tried the 860 for now
Just opinion of course and I only gave the 120 a couple of hours. I think if you’re under 80Kg and mostly DW it’s a better choice. Probably better with the 770 and smaller as well. At 90Kg, we just don’t get the conditions often enough to justify keeping a 770 or 120 around. Both 860 and 135 are good enough most of the time for DW, wing, and now even PW. Maybe I’m just lazy though
I have a 960R and mainly use it for lightwind winging, since we don’t really get DW conditions here very often. I’m contemplating getting either a 860R or 770R for better days. I love my 850S, but I’m hitting a wall in glide and speed in flatwater, so I’m starting to get bored and want to try something else. I mean, I expect to continue to use the 850S for prone and for certain days of course.