I wing a PP125 in good wind with an extra stiffened 83cm katana. Love it, highly recommend. Great mix between surf-ability and fast bump riding. Takuma tail for surf, PP14.5 for DW. Short fuse.
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I also wing on the P125, and love it. On the Katana 95 mast. Love to hear more about possibility of a P100ā¦
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Correct, may availability for US
You should probably addā¦ please disclose if you are a retailer, representative of a brand, or in any way profiting from foiling 
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Omen Operator. Best foil Iāve used on the wing. I prefer the 1050 for my wind speeds, but the speeds youāre talking about the 850 is probably what you want.
NoLimitz v2 collab mast. Appletree collab boards. Everything fits together with no play and is designed to work together. All foil parts made in USA. Board made in Europe.
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TME - What masts do you recommend for a Unifoil winging set up?
It depends what else your trying to do and your budget. The progression 800 has been a great all arounder for wing and prone. I think its plenty slippery to handle the any small HA stuff as would any of the new cedrus or NL offerings.
I think though for a setup specializing in speed control like the mid aspects the prior gen cedrus stuff is great. I mean adding some drag is kind of the point there so its fine. This is nice too because you can make a cheap enough setup to keep your prior gear. Unloading my old stuff to get some hot new item always bites me in the ass.
I find the progression 800 a little long for prone sometimes, honestly if i could go back in time iād get the 75 Katana for small prone, light wind winging. Keep it rigged with the Prog 170 (shallow, garbage East Coast conditions) and just have an 80cm cedrus aluminum for winging/powered prone). Unless your doing backflips the AL masts are great.
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All this makes sense and I would love to go a cheaper route that works good enough (I donāt need a Lexus, a Toyota is just fine) but I have massive ventilation issues on some of the masts you mentioned plus uni foils so trying to find something I donāt have to mess with. Plus my neck discs are toast from all of the whiplash sustained during high speed drop outs. Iāve had others ride my set up and get the same thing. Iāve spent too much time trying to diagnose so moving on to something reliable. Going to demo from now on. Canāt blow this much money on stuff that doesnāt work.
I had ventilation and dropout issues with the original Cedrus too. Didnāt have those issues on the Katana, but I didnāt feel like the Uni foils had good speed/power range, other than the P125. The other Uni gear worked well within its speed range (generally slower for the given size), but it didnāt want to be pushed faster. I have found the AFS Silks have much more broad range and they get onto foil pretty easily but they can be pushed harder at the top end.
In my opinion, speed/power range is the most important factor on a winging setup. You need a wing that is going to get you up (good low end) but can be pushed and wonāt have a hard wall (or dropout) at its top end. I think this is a more important feature of a winging setup vs a prone setup which doesnāt need to have as broad a range (and why the Progression wings are so good for prone but not as good for winging). YMMV
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Totally agree with your description about the needs for a winging set up. Itās not just about high end. While thatās important, some low end is needed to get up in light wind conditions, turbulence, and between sets so you can get out of the impact zone. Which mast are you using with the Silk foils?
UHM 85. I have a UHM 75 on the way as well, but havenāt tried it.
I donāt have specific brand recs, but for our area (I live in Santa Cruz) and the bigger long period swell we get, go for something with good top end range and get a fast/narrow board with some volume so you can get up. Iām 95 kg and my daily driver is an 800cm AR10 wing and a 5ā10" x 20.5" 80L board and gong UPE wings 3.5 - 5.5. I was on Maui a couple of months ago and Kane was ripping it up on a 580cm wing on a 25 knot dayā¦ I think if you have the technique and a fast board, you can go a lot smaller than what most are doing currently
For reference, my speeds on most wave days top out around 20-22 mph on the wave and bigger/long period days a bit faster, 25 mph or so. If you are demoing in flat water, you want something that will hit the low to mid 20ās and still feel stable and loose, not locked down. Also do a bunch of wing tip breaches going fast and slow, generally wing tip ventilation is worse the slower you go.
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That # isnāt relevant to compare to other foil brands. His foilās sound insanely small no matter what the wind speed is. Armstrong DW foils sound smaller than they are too. Code R series is similar.
Not saying everyone should be on 600cm foils, but going to a faster board can let you downsize a foil size or two. I had a couple of super fun sessions last week in about 12 knots and overhead waves on my 800 and 5.5 where I would have been on something around 1000 - 1200 on my old boards
Looks like the fuselink Pure series is now on the site. The foil dims are new altogether (higher aspect). Donāt tempt me with that 700ā¦
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Iām guessing a lot depends on conditions, but I am around 12 - 15 mph average on-wave speed over 200-300 meters with top speeds of 18 -20 prone/SUP. Surprisingly, winging on wave Iām only 2mph faster even though the waves are usually bigger and Iām on a smaller foil, so 15-17 average over a 300 meter wave and top speeds around 20 - 22 mph most days.
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Your wing averages align with mine (when adjusted to remove non moving time). Iām surprised the prone averages are that high, but thatās interesting.
My original point was more directed towards foils intended for less powered conditions like the larger Progression (140-200) sizes. Having ridden those with a wing, they feel like they just arenāt intended to be pushed towards the higher end of those speed ranges (they werenāt designed for that). There are plenty of wave foils that are intended to be ridden more powered, that can also pump (P125, Silk 850, Smaller Sk8 sizes, Smaller Spitfires, etcā¦), and my preference is for those foils. The low end required for pumping, with the high end required for faster more powered waves seems to align well with what I look for in a winging foil (low end to get onto foil, but ability to push speed).
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Thanks for posting. Nice looking foils! Dims look great for winging. 900 + 700 with the 95 cm mast.
For fast ocean swell, you need to get up and go with the foil for the waves. I was on Maui in something like 6ā at 16 sec, that was about 12-15ā on the reef. I was catching wave far out, and riding the swell until the wave was jacking up and I was racing down the line to avoid the super technical section and in a lot of cases with a 940cm2 mid aspect the foil was too slow I needed to kick out. In 10-15knts during the 3 days the swell lasted, I was on a 48L and a 5m. I think I would probably need a 500-600cm2 to be in more critical section if I would be able to crank some bottom/top turns, not that I have interest to surf in the pocket in 12ā faceā¦remember, I was avoiding the critical sectionā¦call me the shoulder surfer. 
Soā¦what foil and board and wing is needed for 10-15knts with a 600cm2? Your call, but you need to match the foil with the swell first, then tailor made around it.
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Iām a recent Lift+Nolimitz convert (from Kujira 1095/1210) and it checks the boxes for me for performance and build quality. The scientific approach that sells me on Lift is that a lot of the great foiling I see on instagram / youtube is on Lift foils.
Specs:
- SF Bay Area, 55F salt water
- 100kg intermediate rider
- Lift 90/120/150 HA/X, 78 Nolimitz v2
- 6ā9 95L KT Dragonfly (Bwalnut sold me on the longer boards, best change I ever made), 50L Apple Slice v1 (rarely use this for winging now, the KT is too good)
- 5.5m Mode, 3m WASPv3. Have a 4.3 Flow coming since the 5.5 Mode feels like plenty in all conditions, think I can get by with 4m for most days
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