JJF owns 10% of Pyzel Surfboards and Jon has been foiling for almost 10 years. Those two have been making foil boards for a long time.
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I duno those boards they put out in the past were all real turds, long after I had even figured out how to make a stiff prone board!
Maybe your right though and even then they knew what they were doing and they were keeping the good stuff for themselves and selling mass produced trash to the kooks off-island. I feel like that’s the pyzel program! The good boards for the good riders are just marketing baby!
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Can’t speak on Pyzel’s past prone board quality, but as someone who has surfed multiple Pyzel shortboards for years, he has great shapes and great material quality. I surf at home in NJ and have traveled to Indo with them. They hold up and are not only for pros. I worked in a boardroom for 6 years and how you’re describing the Pyzel program is not how I see it personally. I know the price tag is higher, but I see this as a collab that will be beneficial beyond this first SKU. Influence and skill of Florence, materials and foil knowledge of Lift, compounded with board building knowledge and capability of Pyzel. Not for everyone but pretty exciting to me
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Their older boards were expensive too. I just hope this kind of pricing doesn’t trickle down to their foils. The whole yacht club efoil marketing, full of hyperbolic language has been a turn-off since the LiftX dropped. I get an email every week about them “changing the world”.
I really like some of their wings and am looking forward to their non-efoil releases, but the corporate marketing vibe has been alienating for me. Maybe I’m alone on this. I haven’t watched them from the start and wasn’t around when the 120 dropped.
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@Gibbon I’m with you. You are spot on.
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I have been for this new collab for awhile, and was overwhelmed by the price and underwhelmed on the shape…in the time they took to roll it out, there are twice as many stock middies out there now….I wound up ordering custom dims from a foil board shaper; it took eight days delivered and half the price.
I started with Lift foils and am sticking with them for now. But I agree, their efoils associate them with Silicon Valley and St. Tropez which can be off-putting. It’s ironic because the founder, Nick, is truly a hard-charging surf foiler who built quite a company from scratch. If the efoil revs can fund the r&d for better foils (and boards !?!) so be it…hats off to him. ….Think they could market the surf/prone, wing, sup/DW side a lot better for “purists”, but it ain’t my company…
…in the meantime I am looking for a used 150hax …
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For anyone winging on Lift… which wing do you like? I’m learning on the 180hax and it’s been a bitch getting on foil. Not sure if it’s my lack of skill or poor choice foil.
200HA is what I’ve been learning to wing on and it’s been great.
I have a 150HAX for prone and while it’s fast and efficient it’s a noticably more difficult wing than the HA. Haven’t tried winging on it but I know it’d be too hard for me.
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@rycpt curious about your weights and what boards you’re riding
100kg and winging 90/120/150hax. I had the 220hax for a while but really don’t need that much low end for winging. I’ve tried the 180hax and it was easy to get going. Learning to wing sucks, there’s a lot that has to go just right to get on foil. For learning, I think a good wing and board make the most difference, you can learn on tiny foils if conditions are good. My first good winging ride and gybe happened on my then kite foil sabfoil w800, after struggling to learn to wing with a gofoil iwa back in the days. 
Flat water also makes a huge difference.
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For me, it wanted more speed, so…bigger hand wing, faster board, more wind worked for me.
I also never quite got a handle on pumping it onto foil very well, in part because it is way more back footed than the Sabfoil Leviathans I also used (the opposite extreme). I think I needed to move my mast more forward and/or my feet back to get more engagement/power…(?)
With sufficient power, I thought it was a blast…
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80kg, prone amudson supermodel 34L. Wing I’m only successful on my 120L beginner door. I’ve been trying to size down to a 65L but that’s a struggle and I also tried a DW board but too tippy.
Hardest thing for me is getting on foil in low wind riding switch.
Definitely a lack of skill. It could be exacerbated by the wrong tail selection and the wrong mast position. Perhaps if you have other riders in your area. You could have them take a look at your setup and take it for a ride to see if something is amis. If you’re still at the very beginning stages, you would do well to get a larger front foil.
Forget about riding a 34 L board. Get confident, riding a bigger board. If you find a downwind board too tippy you definitely don’t have the physical ability to ride a 34 L board. Based on what you’re describing, I’d suggest a 68 L board is going to be nothing but frustrating. Maybe transition to a 90 liter board. Board volume makes a huge difference if for some reason you just feel like changing from your existing big board.
In other news. Seems there are some rumors of a new thinner chord lift mast. Looks like it might have a new baseplate shape and bolt slots vs holes:
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This is the same plate as the X2.
I believe that Zane uses old mast for shooting because his M2 mast are sanded (without Lift logo)
But yes, that has been month that I heard about about thinner mast.
Possible. But looking closely at the screenshots it looks like the mast has slots instead of screw holes - so not an x2. I might be wrong though
Lift 90ha is so much fun to prone.
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I wing the 90 exclusively. It’s what keeps me loyal to lift foil. OP 
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How generous is lift’s warranty these days. A while back you could be the 2nd or whatever owner 2+ years after purchas and they’d have you destroy the old thing and they’d send you a new one with proof of destruction. Is that still the case?
It’s been a few months, but I’ve never had a warranty claim not be honored. Even if a wing showed up with a less than perfect finish, Lift was always cool about getting you the gear you expected.