Are you running the short or standard fuse with it? Super curious to hear from people trying the modular silks on the short fuse!
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I had the opportunity to ride all three 850 set ups back to back recently. Granted it was wake foiling on a boatā¦
I found between the standard and short fuse that the short fuse was better more responsive in rolls and yaw. It also pumped much better.
The tail locations are also different. So thatās worth noting.
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Huge thanks for sharing that info. I love the monoblock 850 but always felt it was the stiffest/least versatile of the three Silks. Sounds like a short fuse 850 is in my future! Which tail and position were you liking with it on the short fuse?
I rode in the short position. But if I were riding swell, I might switch to the longer position.
standard monobloc
I just got my 1050 yesterday and have taken it out for 3 prone sessions and one SUP session. I am in love.
Iāve been frustrated lately with my local break being too small for my silk 850/650 or blasting offshore wind slowing me down on the bigger days making it impossible to turn and stay in the wave. My solution has been to ride the Enduro which is fine but by no means as much fun as my silks.
Until yesterday!
With blasting offshore winds and a decent swell I popped on my new non-mono Silk 1050 + UG41 in the standard fuse, long mount position and was honestly gliding as far if not further than my E900 + Silk 32 stab. I swapped stabs after a few waves to my Silk 32 and had more fun ripping turns that I have in weeks. My 850 would never have been able to handle those conditions. The 1050 has SO much more low end than I thought making tricky take-offs into screaming offshore wind a breeze.
This morning I swapped it over to my SUP and had the most fun sup session to-date. So surfy. Waves werenāt breaking and my 7ā6 AFS Blackbird + 1050/Silk 32 were the perfect match for a glassy morning. I had more compliments today than Iāve ever had. So stoked. This was also standard fuse, long position.
Next session with prone-able waves I am going to try the shorter fuse and will report back. Right now I am honestly thinking I might only ride Silks the rest of the year and just swap out stabs as needed.
Anyone looking to buy some used enduros haha?
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Awesome report! Looking forward to hearing the short fuse notes.
I put 50 miles on the parawings today split between the e700 and the Silk monoblock 1050, both on the ug41. Those two foils are very similar in control/feel with the e700 just being faster. I canāt tell you I had any less fun on the 1050 though, I felt invincible with all that glide!
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interesting
Iām very torn, looking for one addition to the quiver of E1300, S850, U750ā¦
Sensibly - Enduro 900 as the reliable all condition safety downwinder, prone foil in smaller conditions, daily driver, long send when uncertain about the conditions. If I could switch out the 1300 for a 900 enduro that would probably do it, but I like having the big foil for backup.
So Iām torn between Silk 650 and Enduro 700. For big nuking downwinds and winter prone.
Maybe the Ultra 750 swaps for the Enduro 700
And then I add a Silk 1050.
Decisions. Slowly moving off of monoblock is an appeal here too..
I will say that I am so stoked on the Silk 850 that that would be the last thing to go, closest to a one foil quiver for sure.
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If it helpsā¦
Iāve been riding AFS for the past 18months, and just to switch things up Iāve been trying my old gear recently just for different feeling when towing. I find i rarely use a wing above 700sqcm these days thanks to the tow boogie. 85kg.
I have lift setup (M2), and recently added the havoc 92 which is a super fun wing for surf. The HA90 is also amazing for when the waves are a little softer and you want to pump and glide while still surfing waves.
Also been using my code 615s (80cm+) recently which is somewhere in between - kinda slower but easier access.
All of these wings are fairly similar in area, and have their own qualities for different conditions.
After probably 2 months on lift and code, and really really enjoying the havoc (thought i was back on lift for goodā¦) , it was time to feel the silks again, specifically the silk 650. Straight away i was reminded why this is the best surf wing Iāve ever ridden. It rolls so much better than the others (despite being slightly larger span to the havoc92). Itās incredibly fast, smooth and has firmly cemented itās spot as my favourite wing for performance surf waves. I can connect 1-2 waves on it fairly easily (though thatās not the point of this wing when towing in decent waves).
I canāt speak for downwinding on it. I also have the E700 which i find to be quite a strange wing for surf foil (turns ok, pumps ok but there is something i donāt like about it which i canāt explain) . If youāre in conditions that can power it, get the silk 650 itās absolutely unreal.
| Brand Model | S.A.cm2 | Span mm | A.R. |
|---|---|---|---|
| Lift | Havoc 92 | 584 711 | 8.5 |
|---|---|---|---|
| AFS | Silk 650 | 650 720 | 8 |
| Code | 615S | 615 765 | 9.5 |
| Lift | ha90 | 580 810 | 11 |
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Curious to understand your thoughts on the E700 more. I also find it a bit strange. I think Iād call it pitchy and it drops out from under me pretty abruptly. Seems to want a lot of power and I guess I just havenāt yet found the conditions to match it. Obviously a smaller (but higher AR) foil, but Iām so much more effective pumping the Silk 850 than I am on the E700 and find the silk a LOT more forgiving overall.
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E700 - how to describe itā¦ It feels almost too stiff and bladey in a way? Its transitions are abrupt - like it glides fast straight and feels good, but when you want to change speed or direction (or both as it is) it isnāt linear/predicable. You can have some fun moments on it in big swells that donāt break, but compare that to the silk 650 and thereās no question which is more fun. Itās been novel to ride but it doesnāt land in my rotation anywhere atm.
I guess good for winging maybe? (I have never āwungāā¦)
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This is how Iād describe the 850 silk compared to everything else Iāve ever ridden, nothing smaller, man now Iām clear on what I want to do! I think youāve saved me getting a 700 that I was going to get as it was used and cheap and included a silk tail that I want to try chop,
Instead Iām going to get the 650 or wait.. or a 1050 to follow Foil Kookās point.
If they would do the 650 for the enduro fuse Iād have done it already
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I feel like this could be describing the Ultra 750 too.. feels the opposite of what you want in a smaller faster foil. Code 680 seems to have done this bladey foil that doesnāt punish you style smaller foil, which I was hoping the 700 would match
Easy. Silk 650 hands down! Especially given how much you like the 850. My #1 regret so far foiling was not buying the 650 sooner.
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The worst thing about the 650 is that once you have it casts a huge shadow over everything else you ride 
@bsjcummings I think you said the new Flux foils were pretty epic. Where do you see the 650 falling into comparison with those foils?
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I only got to try the flux 707 and a chopped proto. I would say the flitelab is an excellent (best Iāve tried) all-rounder; easily accessible high performance. Rolls and turns (surfs) at a level that is super satisfying (almost as fun as the silk 650), but the glide and low end is the kicker - insane. It also kind of self-regulates itās speed which places you well for turns at the bottom of the wave (auto-scrub)
The silk 650 does one thing very very well. The flux does everything very well. Flux you can prone on and connect a ton of waves while surfing it at a high level. I am very intrigued by the impending 606 which has the potential to unseat the silk 650 for meā¦
One thing I have noticed with my silk 650 is that a negative shim is needed with the 132 stab when there is proper power in the water. I have recently been using a new crisp 130 flex tail with it (unshimmed) and it is pretty amazing.
What a time to be alive.
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Which fuse are you using with the E700? I really like it with the short/adv fuse, but not much with the long.
I find it does well with a little less power than the Silk 650. On my 3ā11ā Amos Gen Z, I use a base plate shim for both foils, thick end forward. That could be the angle of the tracks on the board though.
Since chopping my E900, I have actually started using it more. Wake foiling and in the surf when not enough power for the Silk 650. With my chopped 38HA tail in the short position, I was prone foiling the combo on a mid length in Sanur. It was a great set and tons of fun in the inside reform. It whips around very nicely and plays nicer in the foam.
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Hey Matt!
Silk 650 and Enduro 700 are no point of comparison - the SILK 650 have no point of comparison on the whole AFS Line, itās just as everyone mentioned the best surf foil for towing and proning good waves (also for winging the good waves days), Enduro 700 would be more comparable with the 850 in terms of how big it feels - just being faster glidier at the expense of that safe drivey carve feeling the SILK itās unmatched with.
Enduro 900 I did compared it with the ULTRA 750 - and I kept the U750, at my weight (70Kg) itās just as ābigā in size feeling and low end - but itās just much faster. I would say a comparable situation for the surf/carve will happen analog to what I just mentioned before (as many others agree) for the E700 vs S650 comparison - BUT, since itās a bigger size for me I mostly use it just for carving in small long rolling waves and itās just absolute beauty how the U750 behaves in these conditions since it carries the glide thru the carve very similar to the drive of the SILK (crazy & unexpected) - And also for downwind in my conditions, I just felt more comfortable with the speed and glide of the U750 to compensate the low end of the slower E900.
Perhaps if you want a non-monobloc downwind foil to add to your quiver, should consider the EVO HA 750 - which itās supposed to feel clean and speedy as a PURE but with better low end - havenāt tried this one yet.
Thanks for your review! Do you have more info about the non-mono Silks? Is there an official release date? And do they feel different than the monobloc version?
silk non monoblock have already been released, check on front wing section on their website.
i checked the english website and yeah itās seem there is a bug 
here on the french website you can find it well
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