Hi,
Which foil combo to provide most lift for over than 100kg/220lbs guys pump foiling, doing 1min to 10min pump seshs ?
mast
stab
fuselage
foil
what would be your pick ?
Have they made a better pump foil than the PNG 1150 yet?
1150 is easy and good low end, but not all that efficient.
1300 is a nice step up bit less low end but less draggy.
1401 is more efficient than 1300 but is less forgiving and higher stall speed. At least I can pump it much longer than 1150.
Unsure about the largest Fireballs but may be comparable to 1401
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I have been making progress with a png 1310 / 460 pump stab / standard fuse / 750 hmc carbon mast at 200lbs. I started with an advanced short, and the standard is so much more stable and easy to use. The 1310 will stall out due to pitch sensitivity more easily than other foils I’ve tried, but it’s big.
Also tried the 1300v2/ advanced crazy short / 362/50 skinny. It’s not as lifty, but feels close. (2080 vs 1632 sqcm)
I’ll buy the 1701 or 1699 or whatever axis releases for pumping unless it requires the $2200 carbon mast.
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Back to back test between the FB1350 and ART1401, I’m 80kgs, Foildrive, ultrashort fuselage and skinny 30 mounted on the ultra mast.
The extra drag of the 1401 is obvious when you’re pumping on the flat, if it starts to slow it is hard to get it back up to speed. The 1350 digs out really well, if you put your mind to it you can get it back up to speed.
The 1401 is definitely harder to turn and tends to go into the spiral of death easier than the 1350. I can play with swell lines on the 1350 but the 1401 really gets knocked around and becomes difficult to control.
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I just bought a PNG1150.
There are super good discounts as now the red fuse is discontinued by Axis!
It remains the easiest wing to launch (to docks start).
Probably also the easiest to pump (very forgiving).
But it’s not efficient, as in, even with good technic, it’s not a wing on which you will go fast, or last long.
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yes this is a problem everyone notices about the PNG1310, it will stall if the pitch is exagerated and drop like a stone. The question is how to reduce this from happening? standard 756mm fuse? big stab?
I started with the advanced short, and didn’t get far. I’m over 10 seconds with the standard, it seems to help stabilize it, and when winging, seems to make turns super easy comparatively, but I haven’t tried the adv red short in a while.
I was thinking of getting a 1150, but have been making progress, so I’m sticking with the 1310 for now.
The 1300 v1 is miles better than the 1150
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I’d buy that from axis immediately, but not from a company stealing the design and making it as cheaply as possible. I’ve heard those foils snap under load, especially relevant with that span.
For a foil of the span you’d probably need the ultra hm mast which is a huge rip off. Also I have both the 1300 and 1401. And as an semi advanced rider, the 1401 was way too sensitive and hard to ride due to the span. 1700 would be a nightmare. They are for very dedicated pump foilers. I would recommend the 1300 v1 as the first foil you ride 2+ minutes on then start upgrading to the 1400-1700 versions.
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1300 with skinny tail is money
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What size skinny tail?
- 365 is good too. makes it a hair more difficult to take off but its much easier to dig out of a hole and faster
actually i’m finding the 1150 the easiest of all, and liftier than i thought; 1310(i’m selling) and 1401(needs speed but cool foil). i’m using fuselage red short. i’ switch between the stab 440 and 460 pump; but stab 440 feels easier.