Back to Tuttle – Back to Performance

I_draw_boxes — don’t assume they’re connected, or built to survive what you’re about to put them through.

Reality check: every board maker, production or custom, has had box failures. The loads on that connection exceed the intuition of designers coming from a fin-box world.

Here’s the calibration test: set your board on the grass with the foil installed — mast down, board up, exactly like the photo below. Now climb a ladder and just stand on it. Don’t hop. You won’t. Just standing there with your full weight on that box would be terrifying enough. That single static load is a fraction of what happens in one session. A 10-mile downwind run is hundreds to thousands of pump cycles, each one hammering that connection. One session. Not a season — one session.

The engineering behind making the connection survive is closely guarded. Manufacturers don’t advertise their failures — but they should, because they’ve bled to get where they are, and builders keep reinventing the wheel.

Box design is the second most important component in a foil board, right behind shape. Dave Kalama cracked the downwind shape code. His boxes have still failed.

This conversation belongs in its own thread: Foil Track Box Installation — The Engineering Nobody Talks About

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looks like Edo is on the new Adgate shaped Slingshot parawing board. I believe Slingshot is also making a tuttle mast that matches. Makes sense that with all the same brand gear, no adjustment is needed. The adjustment has always been necessary when matching up gear from different brands and only mildly useful for tweaking from there.

We should think he’s getting paid!. Also not sure Edo is the best foiler in the world. He’s good that’s for sure.

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What should we think when the best car driver in the world has silently switched to Mercedes Benz?

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To me, the big news here isn’t the Tuttle piece, it’s that a top M2O downwind paddler (from that '25 photo finish!) moved to a brand that is a total challenger in the DW foiling space. Put differently: I don’t recall a single person in the 125+ rider fleet at M2O ’25 riding a Slingshot foil.

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He’s spoken about it on podcast. With the time it takes to build molds and get prototypes. They have 3 shots to get it right before Hawaii season. :slight_smile: Does slingshot make DW boards?

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Really nice DW boards designed by SS designer Gabe! :grin: He also designed their parawing and some other stuff. Can confirm he rips the higher aspect SS foils in the surf too.

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more about this board project (and tuttle), slingy have set up a Discord for info and Q&A.

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I think Gabe may actually be trying to join this thread with a new account above (GVP) - @admins is his account stuck in limbo?

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I wonder if I quote it, will it show up. I am trying to get that past the AI sensor.

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Will be interesting to see what modifications Slingshot do to their one lock design. In its current form it has a lot more drag than other DW foils, Axis brought out a completely new system to address this.

Bit pointless moving to a Tuttle system to reduce a tiny bit of drag when starting but then having constant drag from the foil system that is always in the water.

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This is what ZeroR2 said above me.

Way shorter and wider than I would have expected a downwind board to be.

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I don’t think they are suggesting it would be for downwind sup foil.

Any idea how these “flagged by community” even work? Is it a heuristic?

No idea. I imagine it’s built into the forum software. I tried to get Eric to elevate my user status so I can unblock them. I can edit them, but I can’t unblock them. shrugs

If they seem legit, I’ll just quote them I guess until @Eric unmutes them. (see above a couple posts)

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for wing & parawing. Not really for DW sup.
the team’s been liking it for prone too.

get on the ‘notify’ list if you’re thinking about one for this season.

Just saw this Gator on Instagram from Wet Feet with tuttle and the 82.5 F4 mast. Good looking setup​:blush:

I think maybe this was the board Dave Kalama was working on when he was on The Generic Foiling Podcast.

He did, however, chuck the tuttle box in “room 101” at the end of the episode. But at the same time, in a very good way, argue the pros and cons.

Would highly recommend listening to that episode. Very entertaining and interesting episode.

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I love Dave and I own three of his boards. But I still think he’s a kook for putting tuttle box in room 101. Good episode