First off this beachstart video is crazy impressive.
If you check the website the 1310 they are selling along with fuse looks exactly like the axis version.
Checking on AliExpress you can find the 1310 axis copycat, so it seems like roam is just selling a rebranded AliExpress foil that is almost an exact copy of the axis.
There is nothing wrong with this per say, as you can’t patent a foil, I just figured this was interesting that we now have rebranded AliExpress foil brands.
Interesting positioning with specific focus on beach starts and “freefoiling”, probably a decent commercial bet considering all the socials around dock starts.
My adjacent take is that anyone who becomes competent at pump foiling almost immediately then discovers the energy and challenge of downwind and progresses or should we say matures into a fully fledged downwind foiler… and finds themselves addicted to logistics and hassle of lifts upwind (edit except wakethief who somehow still hasn’t noticed the bumps)
Fhe foils themselves don’t look like exact clones. Does look like the old red Axis fuse mount which is a dead end in terms of getting into a useful ecosystem but probably necessary for the 1.7m span… so it all hinges on the $800 mast being ultra rigid.
Rumor has it that Axis is suing the Chaxis company and anyone who has been caught selling the copycat foils. Its hard to understand how they could get away with doung this fir as ling as they have. Guess we’ll see.
I don’t see copycats as a bad thing, allows beginners to get into the sport cheaper and if they stick with it will definitely buy genuine at their next purchase.
The big thick 1310 is easy to copy as no special materials needed, but the higher performance wings need expensive materials for stiffness and strength so unlikely to be copied.
lots of people buy the fake 1401, no clue how close to the real thing it is. Then there is wingmanjim doing 1 hour pumps on the fake 1700 that seems to work well.
The 1700 will never be released by Axis. It was a prototype version of the 1401 that they worked on for about a year but never felt it was good enough to release. These prototypes come from Chinese factories and they can easily be copied even if they haven’t been released to the public.
The Fireball1700 was shown at the AWSI but to use it you need the new Fatty mast and new fuselage. The Fireball 1500 is also coming and suitable for use on the current UHM mast. Both wings are UHM construction so definitely won’t be cheap.
Yes,the axis 1750、1500 has very high AR,but the GY1700 just about 17 and GY 1500 about 15, they are not copy from fireball but little like the Takoon or Alpine version (still different AR and section).
I try both. The 1700 has very good glide but terrible tuning, some guys pimping in flat water over 1 hours.
The 1500 has clealy better tuning and still good in glide and lift, seems better than 1401.