This thread has all the not-broke foil junkies flocking like moths. You love to see it! Congrats F4 if I had any money left I’d be itching too!
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What about that Dorado?
I hear it’s a 14AR glider.
Huge thanks Matt!
we’ve been testing the dorado which is 14AR and it does just what one would expect. Glides a bit more but is less surfy. Thats the challenge with design, is that you almost always give us something to get something, generally there is no free lunch. At this point with this size, there isnt enough glide improvement to give back any of the the surfiness with the orca. The bar is set so high with the orca, someone is going to have to invent a new sport that we can optimize the design for.
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You’re saying it’s NOT a gamechanger &/or quiver killer?! I’m aghast! How do you compete with all the other brands?
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@topmick Yes, I’m very lucky to have been lent one already and I’m keen to share a 40yr old punters perspective on it.
Just need to see when that Cat‘s allowed out of the bag.
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@dooms @velicicraptor I found the same to be true of the Manta 635, it had a better low end than my eagle 790
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Been riding Orca’s 685 and 530 75skinny XS tail on DW, SUP Foil, Parawing, Wing. 530 Fast and loose. 685 more glide and lift. Prefer the 530 when conditions permit PW, SUP Foil and bigger Malikos.
Demo day recently tried the Manta 530, 635 PW’ing both surfier locked in controlled turns but no waves to speak of to really taste it. Wave day foil probably the 635 and when it’s big 530. The 635 a bit less glide and lift than 685 but for its size surprisedly efficient.
Dorado 645 really nice glider turns good for a AR14. Probably not as fast as 685 and a bit more work to popup PW.
Wahoo 700 a wing race foil I paired with short 135 tested this with Wing. This was a fast foil incredibly stable over the bumps stiff and responsive.
Just bought the 85 AX plate. As stiff as TE 75 at its thinnest point it’s 12mm awhile the 75 is 11.3mm chord 100mm for both. ~DT
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Those mast dimensions are WILD!!!
The One Ocean Sports UHM SSS has been out for at least a year at approx. those dimensions. 12.2mm x 102mm chord or thereabouts. Also only $995 USD shipped from Australia. Axis foot of course so usable on Code and Lift. I’d assume they even make a small profit on it so what makes a mast worth $1800+?
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The One Ocean mast is even more stunning in real life than it is on paper. You have to remember though that One Ocean is direct to consumer. If we generically say that 30% of the price of most gear is going to shops and chop that out the price drops closer to $1300 which would be more competitive.
I’d say the foil industry is in an odd place right now with a growing number of products going DTC and it does make things confusing for the consumer.
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@Bonifacio @Wouzel Interesting.
Have either of you ridden the mast?
Yes I have, let’s respect the F4 thread and chat about the One Ocean over here:
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Dan, if I recall correctly you are about 66Kg? That has me riding the 1050 orca to be at roughly the same loading when you’re riding the 685. It actually pencils out to more like 900 for same Kg/cm2 but there’s a pretty big gap between the 800 and 1050 orca.
What I’m reading in this thread suggests that I would be riding a smaller area orca than the foil I usually ride but the opposite turns out to be true (Code 860R daily driver). The 530 orca would be roughly equivalent to the Lift 110X (710cm2) I use on rare occasions.
Still I’d be happy to demo if the opportunity presents itself. That said, I’m pretty much done switching foils.
@Kanye_East, yes, I’ve got about 300 hours on my One mast at this point, works great. See the thread for more info.
What does that mean, sorry?
You have ridden the 800 orca to compare it to the 860R?
I have a lot of time on Code and now F4. So curious what you mean?
Hi, Yes 66Kg. I know Alika rides the 1050 he a pretty big guy. Not sure how you and him compare. When I was riding Code 770r was for light medium days, 680 as daily driver. Now I’m 685 light/medium days and 530 used most often. What i like about F4 is it starts with fuse/mast connection gives smallest diameter possible, mast thin 11.3 /100chord, very efficient. You should try the 800 to compare.
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Theres obviously something going on with the foil sections on these, but I wonder how much impact the mast efficiency has on the low end of these foils. In theory, an efficient mast is going to build more speed for the given level of power input, thereby putting more water over the foil and allowing you to generate lift. It is definitely easier to takeoff with a 75cm mast vs an 85cm mast, which demonstrates this, but I’m curious how much impact 1mm of mast width has. Trying to make sense of the size of these foils.
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Yeah, one thing I’ve noticed mentioned on the design of these foils, which I’m not sure i’ve heard mentioned in other cases, is ‘twist’. I wonder if the twist and camber work together to create a bit of an extra boost. Also Chris mentioned that the section is designed to be as efficient at different angles of attack as possible, so that has to help.
Significant IMO. Rumors have it next year many brands will be under 13mm and some will be under 12mm. For me, it’s hard to notice the thickness difference immediately unless I test it back to back in conditions where the foil is either maxing out, or bottoming out of it’s range. When the foils in the sweet spot I really only notice the mast thickness difference in data analysis, not on the water.
11.3mm sounds epic.