The new website has an odd review under the Vyper’s Riders Notes section, mentioning “Ultra 140” and “Project E wing”. Confused on whether this is the new Progression 140 or another (Ultra) HA wing?
This new Progression foil looks sick !!
Its hard to tell from the photos, what are the differences between the H2 and the Progression? They look very similar, with the progression having a bit more curvature maybe?
Also, can anyone speak to the difference between the carbon uni mast and the katana mast feel?
My buddy out here says the Unifoil carbon mast is good. The Katana mast is super stiff. He’s very sensitive to mast flex and weighs 195 or so. Good tester.
Dimensions are posted and they are similar but different. It looks like the progression has much more tapered tips. The secret sauce is the section though. I’m very curious to hear the differences in ride characteristics between them.
Progression wings look great. I know they spent a fair amount of time developing the 170. Did they take the same time and energy for the 140, is it as accomplished than his big brother?
Hi James from Uni wind division. You are right the Hyper2 is the go to most winging conditions, especially riding bumps and gliding. For stronger winds and heavier conditions the Vyper is unmatched. For my size and weight (6’1" and 95kg) I like the 130 Vyper and 170 Hyper 2 combo.
I’ve been riding (wingfoil) the 170 Hyper2 on San Francisco bay for a couple of weeks and lovin’ it! Previously Armstrong 925. Hyper glides further, more forgiving and just overall feels great. Definitely more of the “surf” feel I’d hoped for. Haven’t had it in real waves but did get some chest high rollers through Fort Point last week and had a blast.
James from Unifoil here: both the Hyper 2 and Progression work well for winging but have quite different feels. H2 is much faster, still turns great but not as tight as the Progression which also has much lower stall speed. For waves and freestyle I prefer the progression, for sheer speed and riding bumps the H2.
The H2 has a different section, thinner profile and different template. Higher stall speed and a touch slower roll, but more top end. For our surf the stall speed was too high to relax into surfing. Guys are loving it on the wing.
I’d love to hear about the H2 150. The H2 170 seems a bit big/slow at 1097cm2 for winging. How thick in mm is the 170?
Where would the Kujira 1095 sit relative to the Progression and H2?
Poor Erik survives a hurricane just to get drowned in questions instead
I’ve ridden none of them, but I’d say right in the middle haha. Progression prioritizes low stall speed and lots of glide. H2 prioritizes his speed and glide. 1095 sounds like it’s a middle ground.
You guys know I love the 1095, so that was the benchmark going in to testing. The 170 is a touch faster in top end speed (tuned how I ride it, tail shim slows it down), and about 2mph lower stall (but that is how I tune them both, you can get more low end out of the 1095 if you ride a bigger/slower tail). The 170 stays as speed longer, can cruise on a bump longer. For downwind, it was hard for me to get the 1095 up on the sup in our normal conditions, but the 170 is pretty easy. In between the 1095 and 1440. Roll is good on both foils (after you chop tips on 1095).
Wow, that sounds amazing. Gotta say, having a range of foils like the 1095 would be sick, but a range of foils that are better is very tempting indeed.
Sorry, but when you say 170, can you confirm that you are referring to the Progression (not the H2)? How does the foot pressure progress with speed vs the 1095? I find the 1095 front pressure ramps up when you exceed its limits and it can start to get pitchy (at least the way I have it tuned).
How much did you chop tips on the 1095? Just the winglets or a proper chop?
I find that the 1095 tracks more than I would like at high speeds. How does the Progression 170 deal with high speed? I know you tuned it for weaker waves
Better is subjective. 1095 is a great foil. The 170
Is closer to to feeling I’m searching for.
Looser at speed. Even after the tip chop. Today I ride it in 13 second period swell. That clip from today in slow motion is the 170. Was going super fast today and it felt great. We’re close to having a final tail. Tails make a big difference on this foil.