Picked up a couple havocs and the Florence 110 x for demo this week. Everything looks gorgeous including the m2 mast. If anyone has any specific questions on these foils let me know. Otherwise I’ll be writing up a review to share once I’ve ridden them!
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We can always rely on you for an objective review thanks Bryan. I’m currently winging the 130x/21x on a 36 M2. I’m interested in whether I should invest in the 110x, 90HA or Havoc 105 as my high-wind step down. I’m finding the range of the 130x is exceptional though. Also, any info on 32 v 36 M2 would be interesting. I still kite foil in light wind so the 36 has been working well for both disciplines.
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I’ll get you as much info as I can! The 32 m2 is quite nice so, testing on it will be great and I’ll include a few notes on that. I wasn’t offered the smaller havocs but if the first two are gems I’ll ask about the smaller ones as well. I’m definitely excited to see how the 110 x rides. Most specifically, what range it has for low to high end playfulness.
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Did 3 runs with the 110 Florence today.
It is easier than the previous 110 HAX.
Maybe a touch less top end and speed, but average is better for me (110 HAX was too demanding to maintain a good pace)
There is a lot of flex in the HAX that I find great at high speed but which I dislike when I need power at low speed.
For winging you may not feel as much of an improvement since you should not pump as much as sup downwind. Same for lighter weight I guess.
Tried with KD15R with long FP and 21F.
21F has better low end, and turns better. More unstable in pitch but it disturb me only few kilometers then you get use to it.
15R pumps better at high speed
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Spent a few minutes on the largest Havoc today. Shocking low end. I didn’t think I’d get up:
Switched to the 110 X when the wind came up to 15kts. Logged 23 miles on it in shin high swell today. Not going to give a final thought on it yet but first impression is that it’s an excellent HA foil for winging. Carve 20 tail on both foils.
I have owned the original 110hax and have the 90ha for winging. Here is my feedback:
- I found the lift for getting on foil slightly better than the 90 but not by much.
- The top speed is very similar. They are both fast wings.
- Maneuverability: In the domain, the 90 is significantly better. It feels very natural. Whereas, the 110 takes more time to turn, it feels like it has more inertia if that makes sense. Probably because of its width…
- Glide: In that domain, the 110 is better. However for winging, the glide of the 90 is plenty good for me.
- Stability: In that domain, the 90 is also significantly better. I found the 110 very sensitive to turbulences, especially going upwind. I often felt like I crashed for no good reasons.
I hope this helps. I also have my eyes on the Havocs… I am not sure which one to pick 
T-Nut - what is your weight? I am 87kg and ride the 120ha and 150hax. I was considering getting the 90ha for winging since I saw some people like it much better than the 120ha, but curious if I am too heavy for it! Also deciding between the 90ha and the new 110F or 121 havoc - so many choices!!
I am 73kg. I have not tried the 120ha so I don’t know how it compares with the 90ha. However, I bought the 121 havoc and tried it for the first time last weekend. I really like it so far! It fits nicely in my quiver between the 170ha & 90ha. Turning with it feels like riding a shortboard. I would definitely recommend it for winging. I hope this helps.
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I’m 87kg too. The 90HA is lots of fun to wing in 20knots and above.
Hey there
I heard about a new mast, something like 13-14mm and new tails for downwind racing.
Rumor ? Or anyone has info ?
Anyone been proning the Havocs more, with feedback? What tails do people generally like on Lift for prone? The carve series look ideal but their fuse lengths are so short, do people use the extenders all the time? The Florence rear looks like it might be better all around even though its designed for DW.
I’m an intermediate foiler so factor that into my feedback. I have all 4 Havoc wings and love the 92, 105, and 121(when the surf is really small) and ride those with either the Carve 26 or Carve with extender and they work good for me. I have the Florence tail as well but I haven’t paired it with the Havoc wings yet but I’ve did some DW shore runners and notice I preferred the Carve tails when wanting to do a lot of roundhouse turns. The Florence tail is a bit faster and looser but for more control through harder turns the Carve tails push through the turns better for me. I’ve only proned my Havoc 148 twice and both times rode the Carve 26 with extender because the surf was pretty small but the tail seemed fine for what I was doing.
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How is the 121 Havoc working out now that you another month of riding under your belt?
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The conditions were not great last month. I have only used it twice since. The main advantage of the 121 is its stability/forgiveness. It turns very well. Its disadvantage is its lack of glide compared with the HA wings. I like it a lot for winging. What conditions/riding style are you considering using this wing for?
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