AFS Enduro - Yet another whale style wing

@notefgel
I,m 51y old 99/98kg, reasonable wingfoiler in the waves, learning to DW but decent supfoiling with a very long (normal) sup background in both waves and races).
I have the E1300-E1100-E900 Silk1050-850, Pure1100, Evo1650 for th tiny days and LOTS of tails (Silk, HA, KParts, KD Marlin).

Regarding to the 900/vs Silk850/1050, The Silk has more lift but less glide, so it is really up to your conditions.

Right now i,m at Crozon, 1h away from the AFS factory :wink: .
We are here for 3 weeks so plenty of time to try lots of combo,s.
Wingfoiling here the E900 with K-parts Mako carve V2-14cm works for me better for me as the Silk1050. With the Mako Carve 14cm V2 the turning is also very very close to the Silk1050 with Marlin 14cm.
The Ocean swells bumps here are fast but rarther flat before they ramp up in proper breaking waves. To ride the swell I need more glide at higher speed as back home in the netherlands where we ride more windwaves/swell/bumps that are slower but steeper (and that is where the Silk1050 shines).
Back home in the netherlands in the shallow slow waves the Silk1050 could be my one foil quiver, here i,m not sure if I would use it a lot due the style of waves.
850/1050: Over here and most of the time back home the 850 lacks the glide for me in the flatter bumps. In faster AND steep waves I an totally see it works (thats why I have one for those days), but with my weight the range is limited in glide. A friend of me is 65kg and uses its 850 all the time and raves about it, so maybe this is more an weight to foil ratio thing.

When supfoiling, I just picked up this week the E1100 at the AFS factory, the E1100 is king.
It picks up quicker as the PureHA1100 and has more glide then the Silk 1050.
For Supfoil I only pick the Silk 1050 here when he waves are a bit slower so I can make more turns, but when its about wider arcs, the E1100 is hard to beat for me.
The E1100 has an easier take off as the Pure HA 1100 imo. The HA has a bit of a wobble when its on the borderline of enough speed to take off or not that the E1100 doesnt have, making it way more friendly. In supfoilinng speed I don,t see any difference on my Garmin, wingfoiling the HA1100 is about 2km faster, but with the price of lesser low end.
I hope it helps a bit

When I went to the factory to pick up my E1100 one of the guys showed me around like they did with Gwen. (for those who haven,t seen that one)

Really cool and impresive to see how they build there stuff.
I work as an occ health/ company nurse for various companies so I ha have seen various factories and workplaces and its cool to see how well organized, clean save and smart they work.
You don,t nottice that on the water, but I simply feel better when I know that the people who build my toys are well taken care for with proper protection and safety.
I also asked about the reason of the Enduro not being full monoblock like the Silk and Pures.
He explaned that the Monoblock is harder to build and a lot of people complaned about traveling with them. Performance wise the monoblock is still the bomb but with there fuse system it is very very close and also cheaper as you can (in theory) use multiple foils on one fuse.
More foils made for the fuse are coming out soon.

The only thing that I miss in the Line up of AFS is a pumpfoil/ superlight DW foil Like an Code1540/Axis 1400. They couldnt/ or wouldnt :wink: tell me if that is coming or not.

Also impressive: there DW board and Midlength do look amazing!

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At our weight, if you could only have one foil which would it be Silk 1050 or the E900, sounds like the 850 is too small and only used on special days, given I have the E1300/1100 and I’m looking for a smaller foil that I can use sup foiling and bigger wave winging. Which one have you had more fun on and which one could you do without.

I can buy only one so trying to narrow down the options and the small chord of the E900 concerns me, hence I’m leaning towards the Silk 1050, but not sure how it’d perform in bigger conditions…

Up to 4m waves the Silk1050 was doing fine while winging in Ireland last Autumn…Haven,t dared to go bigger.
I think the Silk has the better control, the Enduro a bit more glide.

I heard about a big Enduro, like 1600
And a 900 Ultra

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I’m 68 kg so take my sizes with a grain of salt but absolutely nothing has put a bigger smile on my face than carving (prone) on the S650 / S850. I’ve also tried the E700, E900, Pure 1100, and E1300.

Enduros obviously win on glide and pump but if you are looking for a foil on bigger days, go SILK! I just picked up the 650 for bigger days a month ago and am kicking myself for not doing it last September after discovering the magic of the 850.

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I had another killer day on the 1100. I don’t know what else to say, it does everything great at my 95kg

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I’m only 70Kg
And waiting for mine 1100 for light wind wing and learning parawing on lighter days :slight_smile:

Also I think will be a great small downwinders Easy rider

I am considering to change to an AFS enduro set (900, HA38, 80UHM) because i feel like by current set is hindering my progression (Gong Curve H L 1100cm2, AR8, 85cm v2 alu mast on omen flux 72L at ~85kg).
It’s fine when the sea is calm but atm i’m in tarifa and the sea isn’t calm and everything is super wobbly, especially in winds over 17kts.
I’d also like to get into swell riding and my current setup seems too slow, because the bumps are always overtaking me.

but i’m wondering if i have the level required for the enduro. I can gybe fine with the occasional fall on the switch frontside gybe.
When the sea is calm i can tack frontside (even though i have the feeling that my setup is also making that hard since it does not glide well at all). I can get up on foil when there are 11-12kts.

if not the enduro is there a better option for me to progress faster?

I’d consider adding an Enduro 1100 to make the transition easier.

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I’m almost the same weight (86kg) and ride the 77l Carver, similar to your Flux. I think you’ll be in love with the 900 enduro and HA38. It’s so incredibly smooth with just as much low end and way more glide than my Silk 1050 (which has an AR8 like your Gong). For myself, I could never imagine getting a bigger size enduro unless I was wanting to go on ultra tiny bumps.

A cheaper way to do the transition to a higher AR foil would be to go for the HA40 stab to add more low end - this sacrifices a little bit of speed - but honestly not so noticeably since you’ll add more low end stall speed (or in other words, stall speed will be lower) -
If you want looser and can manage the speed, then go for the HA38, or get both ja!

That Enduro 900 has great low end - and the efficiency and glide will compensate in terms of ease of use - It’ll definetly be a good progression foil and most likely won’t sacrifice much of the ā€œlift feelingā€ vs your 1100 which I assume it’s not as fast and efficient -
And yes, for wobling waters, the ā€œwhale bumpsā€ will help a lot to ride cleaner in the distorted waters -

Thanks a lot for your advice guys! I just bought the 900 with the HA40 and 80cm uhm mast.

The afs rep also recommended me the HA40 stab, probably with the same reasoning.

I hope i’ll like the 80cm mast. I got it because i read that it has a more direct feeling and because it might also eventually serve as a prone foil mast. Hopefully i won’t miss the extra 5cm too much in the ocean swell… but anyway excited for the new set!

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The 80cm UHM is an epic mast. You’re going to have so much fun!

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I continue to love swapping between my Silk 650 / Enduro 700 but the one thing I still am working on is pumping the Enduro 700.

Currently riding it on the standard fuse, short position with a chopped Silk HA 38 stab.

Has anyone had a ton of luck pumping this wing? I can connect waves but it’s a lot of effort…

How’s the chopped HA 38? I’m working on pumping/connecting swell on the 650 with 132 which isn’t easy but the turns are worth it.

I’ve found the Mako Glide 120 v2 to be the easiest of these tails to pump around on (other than the C9 157 which pumps great but slows you a touch) but it does give up some stability/predictability because it is nowhere near as stiff as the AFS tails.

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I like the chopped HA 38 but I have only the Unifoil 14.5 (chopped) to compare it to. I tried riding the HA38 without the chop first but it just felt way too stiff when initiating turns. I’m honestly thinking of chopping it just a tiny bit more ha.

I don’t have the 700 but my buddy rides it with the Silk 132 and loves it. We both agreed the HA38 felt stiff. I’m considering chopping mine to be HA34 but will try the Ultra41 first.

Awesome about the 132! I’ve got one on the way!

v3 gong no more wobble my friend !