Hey everyone- psyched Eric put this resource together for us.
A little context: been foiling a couple years now on maui, mostly prone going anywhere I can in any conditions (e.g. north shore large powerful waves, s shore small waves, etc…) I have been riding an armstrong this entire time, following kind of the normal progression CF1200, HS1250, and now HA925. I have had fun on these wings, but I think it’s time for a change… I do really like the HA925, but I think it has a lot of faults for prone surfing, it’s super unforgiving (in my opinion). And the CF V2 just doesn’t seem like something I’m all too interested in…
Anyway- long story short, looking to see what everyone here thinks the best prone wing is out there. I have really been looking hard at the cabrinha stuff lately.
Looking forward to hearing people’s thoughts
I am in your same position. Currently on the 925, 195 and 72 mast in small South Carolina surf. Like you said, the unforgiving nature and flex in the system makes me think that another brand may have something a lil more inline with the feeling i’m after. I have been doing a bit of research into Axis. Loving the idea of a stiff carbon mast with what seems like endless possibilities of wings for prone and winging.
What makes you lean toward Cabrinha?
Excited to see what comes of this forum.
I’m hoping the foil that Uni/Cliff and Erik are working on is the solution for small to medium days for prone… and winging too.
From what I have heard / read / seen - the cabrinha has good glide, maneuverability, and better low end. But I’m yet to try it for myself, hopefully in the next week or so.
Which size cabrinha, 1000? And which mast?
800 & 1000, with the carbon mast is what I’m thinking about. I’m pretty light so maybe just the 800 though
1000 looks really good, as do those all around wings they just came out with. Have to think that some of their success is because of all the testing at that university.
I really love my Cabrinha H1000. It has been a game changer for me. Sold my 925 and never looked back. The h1000 has better glide, turns just as well, and is sooooooo much more forgiving for me.
925 can do great things in the right hands but I really prefer my h1000. I weigh 195 and the 1000 has been the perfect size for me. Use it to wing,kite, and prone. It’s a one foil quiver.
I started on the OG Cloud 9 back when our only options were that or GoFoil. Switched to Armstrong after about a year and was stoked at the major step up in performance. After a few years on Armstrong, which I proned and started winging on, I tried a Takuma setup. After getting used to the difference, I tried my Armstrong again just to compare and that’s the last time I rode the Armstrong. Went home and put the whole kit on Craigslist and have never regretted it!
I guess another question- are any of the cabrinha foils adequate for downwinding or would I be better equipped for that by adding a big armstrong HA to the collection?
I love my armstrongs whats your weight? 90kg rider and love winging / surfing the armie’s but for downwind they not the easiest in marginal sup foil conditions that I get where I live (mostly get powerful ground swell and light wind). For downwinding I go axis for now and love my armstrong for surf and wing
I haven’t heard of anyone downwinding on Cabrinha yet. I keep hearing the 800 is similar to the lift ha120. Which is a good downwind foil once you know what you’re doing, terrible to learn to downwind on.
@Hdip good info, seems like some of the Oahu guys are DW on the Cabrinha, but lots of lift, axis, and gofoil for that discipline.
@Mickfoil I am pretty light, probably around 65kg, and i do like surfing the armstrong, just have to think theres something better out there vs the HA series that is a bit more forgiving but still fast!
My Cab h1000 has made winging downwinders jump up several levels of progression. I am able to comfortably ride flagged and just pump to connect sections where I used to need to power up the wing again. It has tons of glide, is stable yet still easy to carve, and has great predicable low speed lift. I enjoyed my Armstrong 925 in similar conditions but I never felt like I could completely relax with it as it was so trim and speed sensitive. The H1000 is just so easy and fun to ride, it’s hard for me to think of anything I would improve about the foil itself. A stiffer mast would help when you are more loaded up as you can sometimes notice the flex but that’s a small issue.
My top speeds have come on the Cabrinha as well. One thing that really impressed me was how much confidence it gave me at high speed. Every other foil seems to need more front foot pressure when you are hitting higher speeds but with the h1000 I never feel like I need to move my feet. Very cool.
As for other sources on Cab downwinders Rob P on sea breeze has a good review. And some of the Voyagers on Oahu are using them, check out childrenofthefreeworld on instagram.
Cabrinha HA is just like the Lift HA: Top of the line wings with top of the line prices! You can’t go wrong if you can afford it.
Biggest issue is timing: Lift HA wings are getting old in foil-years (which is human years x 30). Cabrinha wings are probably slightly better but that’s because they are 30 foil-years newer.
Next generation wings (new Lift, Axis surf, Erik’s custom wing, new Takumas, etc) will probably come out in the next 4-12 months making your $2200 purchase older technology and could be annoying to you.
Yeah i get your point. But waiting around for the next upgrade before you buy is sort of a losing proposition at this point… I mean i am riding a 30yr old (foil years) wing right now anyway!
anyone downwinding on the cabrinha?
I know it’s far from the most popular brand, but I ride Naish and it’s all I know. I went out towing into some small-medium waves last week with an Armstrong riding buddy, but both using my board. He was astounded by how forgiving yet fast my setup was. We can both pump around and link a wave or two, but we arent advanced riders by any means.
This was on the Naish 1040HA and a custom flat stab. I just received the Naish 914 but haven’t had a chance to get it wet yet.