Winging is also how almost all companies test their foils I’d imagine.
And yet no wing specific wings from the current a-team foil producers code, lift, uni…
There’s a reason for that. I feel like winging is the gateway drug that gets many into foiling but then we move into better disciplines.
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As someone who started foiling on the lift v2 and HA range and moved to AFS and dabbling in Code, I don’t see any use for these new havoc for surfing. I can’t see how that AR can pump that well, or how they could match the Silks for turning. I’d like to demo them though to make sure, as of course lift know what they’re doing…. But won’t be tempted to buy one yet.
Anyone can compare?
Good topic to make into a thread of its own
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If you ride the code 720s for example. You should try out the Havoc’s. If you ride only code R’s in the surf, then maybe it’s not for you.
These are foils meant for surf foil. You should be hitting white water on them. Look at what Brady Hurley is doing on them. If you’re just pumping and connecting waves, they’re not for you.
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They’re for people who aspire to ride like Brady and Zane 
Does a 20 Carve X exists ?
(20 carve and integrated extender)
I heard about it but can not find anything.
Not much stuff about the 26X Carve too
I have owned and used all the v2 range. Compared to the Silks and the code s, they’re nowhere close to as good (fun) for turning (no need to even mention pump and glide). I’d love to try the havocs to see if they are much different to the v2. Admittedly I’m not smashing foam like the pros, but that must be a fucking small market in the amateur world!
They came out with a “Flow” stabilizer which gives a super long fuse length. The shape of the flow is similar to the carves with the up curved wing tips.
Problem is the flow length is another ~1.5" past the length of a carve with the extension… So too long if you like carve plus extension.
There’s a post on here where someone compared the two lengths in a photo
Could anyone comment with user feedback on the 130x for wingfoiling? Lift state that it works ‘incredibly well’ but I’d like some real world reviews. Perhaps compared to the 120 or 150HA? Thanks in advance.
Thanks. I mostly wave ride in either small wind generated bay chop or unbroken ocean waves from 18knots up to 3-ish ft.
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Great review Bwal! Just what I was looking for. I’m on the 170 and 120 mostly and want to replace them both with something more advanced. I’m thinking the 130x could be the answer.
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Had a chance to see the new Florence and Havoc foils in person this weekend. Didn’t ride them, so this is just a physical observation.
They are beautifully finished and feel pretty bomber. Similar to the Code gear in finish and build quality, but the fuse isn’t as bulky. Pretty much what you would expect from Lift.
What surprised me was that the foil section just doesn’t appear to be as complex as a lot of the other new gear. Most of the new gear (Code, AFS, Axis, North, FOne, etc…) has some flip up (camber? reflex? don’t know the technical term) on the trailing edge. Didn’t feel any of that going on with the Lift foils. Not saying thats a bad thing, just different from where a lot of the other brands are going in terms of the foil section. I have found that the finer and more articulated trailing edge can get pretty fragile, so if anything, I bet the Lift gear has some advantage in durability.
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I rode the 105 Havoc behind a few boats this weekend. Really liked it - I was underpowered on a 22 ft whaler - on a fully loaded Axis wake boat it felt much better.
I’ve never ridden the 100 surf v2 but I connected boat wakes first try on the 105. Compared to my 150 surf v2 it felt a lot faster - but only slightly faster than a 120 ha.
On a side note I also rode the new 120 with HM carbon, and I can feel a difference in the wing stiffness comparied to the OG 120.
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The Havoc 105 breaches tips very gracefully:
Brendon Lutnick | Couple carves on the Havoc 105 + Skipper prone #wakefoil | Instagram
I am super stoked about those new wings! Specially for wingfoiling where I personally care more about speed and stability going upwind than glide. I am wondering how the 105 compare with the 90ha. If anyone has experience with both, I would love to hear your feedback.
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I don’t have my Havoc wing yet, but I will let you know as soon as I get them. I have lots of 90 HA time.
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Got my 148 Havoc in the mail, fits perfect visually between the 150V2 and the 150HA. Won’t be able to test for a few weeks but plan on a 100 day test in Cabarete soon via winging and prone surfing. Seems like the perfect size in my opinion for leisurely-advanced wave riding with a 4.5m wing and head high waves.
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90 vs 105 is pretty much as you’d expect. 90 has more glide and better pump. 105 carves much more intuitively. I can pump both to connect waves at 175lbs. Behind a boat (in small waves) the 90 feels like it works better because its more efficient, but I could see the 105 ripping in proper waves!
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Thanks for the review @Eriefoiler. I am not super familiar with foiling behind a boat. Though, I had my first experience behind a jet ski last weekend on the 170ha. Fun way to foil when there is no wind and no waves. Did you try to push the top speed behind the boat? If so, would you say that there is a difference in stability/control at high speed? I would expect the 105 to perform better in that domain… However, the 90 has always exceeded my expectations.