SILK 850 on the 132 Stab 
Still gotta work on the closings of the manouvre - but felt good to try to push harder turns and fall! 
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funny enough thatās exactly what i did yesterday - yet to test it.
Waiting for all this swell in Bali to die downā¦Itās amazing how foiling makes you wish there werenāt so many wavesā¦ I used to live for big swells, now i cant wait till itās too small to surf.
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No doubt Ulus is dreamy. Those outside swells are a foilerās wet dream. The surfers were not very impressed though.
I had another few waves on the Pure 900 V2 today, in chest high very washy high tide conditions.
Todayās perceptions, given there was a bit more power:
-This wing is made for going really fast. It feels like riding a razor blade, it feels like it has less lift compared to similar sized wings (I assume it is low camber compared to surfier wings like the Silk etc).
-I was able to pump it pretty well given the horribly unstable conditions, and still need more time in better conditions to feel that aspect out properly. It did seem to have a relatively high stall speed but I need to keep testing to verify.
-turning it felt slightly out of control, mostly due to the perceived speed and sensitivity. Definitely prefer turning on the Silk, as one would expect.
-Despite my ātuningā attempts, at certain (higher) speeds it still whistles to the point of being unbearable. I will give tuning another go as per online tuning tutorials. If that doesnāt fix it iāll talk to AFS to see if they can assist/do something.
I have to say when i switched back to my Silk 850 i was much happier. I still want to figure out the Pure 900, and await better conditions. The run of swell we are having is too much for basic prone surfingā¦
Nice!
Your review itās kinda like what I felt from the PURE 900v1 - it seems the v2 has been taken a step further in specializing for speed. As Iāve mentioned in other forum topics, the PURE is more intended to be the best at WINGING - freestyle/racing/ and I guess a good carver but not super oriented to have the best carving feeling, cause of what you mentioned about speed. Something like that happened to me while carving hard the v1, it felt good and was a really good prone surf foil wing, but the SILK itās the king in that dimension. Oh, and yes, when going wingin at speed and carving hard, was quite the experience but you had to know what were you doing 
Hope you get to manage the whistle, Iāve had the same issue on the PURE 1100HA - altough not unbearable for me, it seems to be not a good sign for efficiency. But at the same time, trailing edges on these foils are so thin, that must be hard to find that sweet spot of silenced ride.
Thanks for the feedback!
what I guess is the new Pure
No, the 800 HA has been around for a while. AFAIK there was no change in the Pure HA 1100 and 800 when they changed over to the new mast-fuse interface.
The Pure 700 and 900 are lower aspect and underwent a big change (hence v2) when they were just recently updated to the new mast interface.
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Slightly off topic, but since itās referenced earlier in this postā¦ I just had my first session winging the silk ha40 tail (with silk 1050) and really liked it. Itās a very fast and efficient tail and brings a lot more speed to the setup vs the 152. I didnāt find that it pumped much better, but it pumped differently (faster pump). The maneuverability was still there. The only thing I didnāt like was that it was easier to breach at that span. The speed was worth the trade off for me, but I was winging and I could see a preference for the standard tails for surf. I generally ride the 1050 with the 152 tail but I think I will use the ha40 unless the waves are more powered. I also have a 132 tail coming and it will be interesting to compare.
I could also see using the ha40 with the pure 1100 for DW as it has a lot more maneuverability than the DW tail (165 I think).
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Give the ha40 a try too. Unlocks a lot of speed for winging.
I would love to try a chopped one but not sacrificing mine (yet).
Are you prone foiling at canggu mainly?
yessirā¦ makes (almost - see ātoo much swellā issue) every day a great day here!
I have compared the Duotone Aero glide 725 with the Mikes Lab 700 with gates and the AFS 700 Pure v2.
I have been riding the mikes lab and duotone for quite a while so I am probably biased that way.
Having said that, I found the AFS Pure V2 to be the fastest foil. The ML and AFS are very similar in the feeling on the turn in waves. Not really too many differences.
Overall I would probably go for the AFS since I can switch to the swept tail for pumping. I also like being able to shim. Also having the uhm mast means I could put the silk 850 on arguably the best mast on the market (11.8mm and super stiff).
A friend just hit 27 knots on the afs pure 900 so I am excited to see how fast the 700 goes. Having been designed by a leading international moth foil designer I imagine it could go as fast as 30 knots in the right hands. I went 25 knots without trying on a wave session at Daymer Bay.
It was really easy and accessable for beginniers as well but with pro level performance.
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Which mast were you using, UHM 95cm?
Any whistling issues with V2 Pures? Someone mentioned this earlier but could be one-off.
I had another session proning the tried the Pure 900 V2 again.
This foil is made for winging as we know, but i had some hope that with the higher AR it would be a good prone foil too. Itās absolutely nowhere on the Silks for prone, and itās not the magic pumper/wave connector that Iād hoped it would be. Itās made for going fast and relatively straight. Not to say it isnāt really fun to ride though, but the Silks are just so good for surf foiling that they make most other wings feel tracky. The Silks make me feel like i rip (the reality is for sure very different, but itās all about that feeling though, right?)
The Pure does provide, as mentioned before, a real feeling of speed. However, you need some power to keep it going.
I managed to reduce the whistling to a minimum now thank God - think a little more tuning and itāll be super efficient and altogether quiet.
The flipside is, Iāve now bought a hand wing and wing board to fit the foil. Foilmath for the win, every damn time!
On the HA Silk stabs note - exclusively proningā¦
I tried the HA40 again with the Silk 850 and somehow it felt like i had more drag (but more stability. Again, i reckon great for winging, not great for prone . It didnāt feel like it pumped any better. I also used the HA40 with the 1050 with foildrive which suited it quite well (i feel like foil drive is the foiling-equivalent of āmid-lengthā surfing due to itās weight and pod drag/turning limitations, so it works for that.
I was happy to move back to the Silk 132 for the 850 ānakedā prone.
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Thatās disappointing to hear. I guess the true test would be code s versus pure. But from what I heard the pure has a high stall speed, whereas codes main speciality is their low stall speed. I love the silk for feeling like a pro, I also like the spitfire and kujira2 as well. Itās just that I need that 75 mast and a 13Ar wing with a low stall speed to actually link 5+ waves consistently in a pure prone scenario
This all said - I have no doubt that once i learn to wing, the Pure V2 is going to come into itās own. Itās relatively heavy and the construction feels bulletproof, like itās intended to be ridden super hard and fast (assume for doing jumps etc with a wing).
Fwiw, I took out my Lift HA120 again recently to test how my pumping and wave connecting is on a high AR wing, and while i could connect waves with a little less effort, the performance on the wave face was just not even close to as fun as the Silk. HA120 felt slow on turns, 80% less joy.
Turns out i just have to get fitter, and keep working on pumping skills. The silk pumps pretty damn well, itās just me looking for more, i guess.
Iāll hopefully find someone who can let me try the Code S one day.
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It seems thereās an unanimous consideration to be the 132 the better stab for glide and carve - the 142 with 850 feels good enough maybe for a heavier rider, and it does pumps better - but the 132 definetly brings the 850 alive for better rail to rail rolling and better control at higher speeds (on the 142 it tends to have too much front foot pressure).
SILK 650 with the 132 - itās just another level for surfing
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Well Iām in Bali for the next 2 months, Ive been foiling every day, last day for me in kudeta beach, Iām back to Kuta for the next week. If youāre ever wanting to foil discovery reef let me know otherwise Iāll link up with you in Canggu once I get over there. I have the 980 and 720s with me.
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I totally agree - even in weak conditions the extra efficiency from the smaller 132 makes the 850 better for pumping, and also improves turning. Love this combo. Nothing against the 142 though but this has been a nice discovery!
I havenāt tried the 1050/132 combo yet - could also be fun
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If you all have a Silk 650 and there is any swell, get out the at the monkey temple and get you some. Let me know if you need someone to tow.
Most fun I have had on a foil.
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